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I only wish I could play some real money games to think I was being ripped off. The U.S. is the only rip off I'm feeling so cheer up and be glad you can play. Just do some reading in Poker Strategies and take some advice from the Mobsters and your game will improve, I guarantee that. I felt the same way until I spent some time asking questions and doing some reading here in BRM. Good Luck to You and All!
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Posted by jamowl: why does this site allways rip me off
How much money is missing from your account??????????? Or are you referring to the loss in tournaments? If this is the case, your own fault you play the hands you lose. Same goes for me and all the rest. Green isn't getting ripped off, he not allowed to play. You have to have your own set of rules, when playing online poker.
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Full Tilt Poker and Pokerstars are known for the large number of bad beats you get. Many times however there is a problem in your game because you get so many bad beats. Same seemed to happend to me when i first starting playing online poker but soon after i've read some poker strategy books and start viewing how pros are playing i managed to get a lot more bad beats, if we talk about procents it was almost 70 or 80% which was a huge improvement. Now it also depends on which type of game are you playing(no limit holdem, pot limit omaha) and if you play cash games, tournaments or sngs. I personally play only cash games, thats why an possible bad beat could affect you less than in a large buy-in tournament, where after a bad beat it's pretty hard to recover. Of course you must strictly respect the bankroll.
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Posted by Macubaas: I personally play only cash games, thats why an possible bad beat could affect you less than in a large buy-in tournament, where after a bad beat it's pretty hard to recover.
This is an excellent point - specifically because so many people on this site ARE MTT players (freeroll players) - Most people don't quite comprehend just how high MTT variance can be. In a single MTT of say 2000 players, to reach no1 how many times do you think you would have to go allin ? Let's say 20 - which i think is a fairly conservative figure.
Let's say of those 20 times you go allin, you are on average a 70% favourite each time - you are STILL statistically likely to bust from the game, since you will lose 3/10 allins even if you are 70% favourite every time.
The amount of luck required to survice an MTT to the final table is incredible. And people need to understand exactly what variance is, how big swings can be and the importance of bankroll management.
My worst beat i can think of from the last 6 months was in a $33 buyin $10K guarantee pokerstats tourney there were 27 players left and i was on just ahort of half a million chips. the blins i think where 10 - 20 K and i was in the SB, the BB had 545 K so had me just covered. I was dealt pocket 8's so i decided to raise to 100 K and the BB called and the one caller before me folded. the flop ran out K 2 8 he bet 40 K into somethin like 250 K so i wasn't slow playing as there was a flush draw out so i shove my remaining 380K, BB barely waits 3 seconds calls for 90% of his remaining stack when he could have made it to the final quite easil with K 6 so top pair and second nut flush, i was sitting there thinking to myself for all he knew his flush was dead anyway to the ace high draw but neverless the turn came King clubs my heart started to sink and what a surprise the 1 remaining King on the river, and bang am out in 26th for i think $40 something when first was nearly 2K, was gutted i was fing this fing that. I personally was disgutted by his call even though he had the draw to the flush, i don't know how other people would view it but i think he played that hand bad especially pre flop, and all i know i played it bad as well. Let me know if your have any views or opinions.
Posted by jessthehuman: In a single MTT of say 2000 players, to reach no1 how many times do you think you would have to go allin ? Let's say 20 - which i think is a fairly conservative figure.
Let's say of those 20 times you go allin, you are on average a 70% favourite each time - you are STILL statistically likely to bust from the game, since you will lose 3/10 allins even if you are 70% favourite every time.
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Posted by todd3311: they are all soooo rigged,only the players that are soooo dam lucky wont say that,but the most players that are not that lucky no that it is rigged
25-Apr-11, 22:36 #1 full tilt is b******t 0 jamowl Joined: Mar '11 Location: United Kingdom Age: 34 (M) Posts: 7 why does this site allways rip me off
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Posted by BMWman:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by SuperNoob:
Posted by jessthehuman: Threads like this are just useless.
nahh they make nice material for a good laugh
This is true. WTF was I talking about really; who am I kidding - I LOVE threads like this.
The only people who insist on sites being rigged, are those who need years more poker experience. Rookies always think the sites are rigged.....
Nah - honestly - it's generally people who aren't that intelligent, plenty of dumbies who been playing 10yrs+ still think it's rigged. And plenty of people new to the game who are also intelligent and can comprehend the vast skill required to beat online poker, what variance means, have a good grasp on mathematical concepts, etc - don't think its rigged, even though they are still new to it and losing.
I think there's a DIRECT correlation between intelligence and think poker is rigged. You read ANY rigtard thread on ANY poker forum - I guarantee on a whole - the non-rigged posts are the most intelligent, well thought out and generally with evidence to back them up. Whereas the rigtard posts always have incredibly poor English (even when poster is from UK, etc), poor grasps on maths, wild theories without empirical data to back it up, etc...
