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Posted by arsenej1: . i think sites have way to much to lose by rigging deals just for a few extra $'s. pokersites earn millions and millions per year doin it correctly and if they rig it with the chance to get shut down for an extra million?
Have you ever eard about mortal sins ? There's one starting by "G" that could answer this.
I don't know about the profit of poker sites, but many sites have closed, so I believe it's good for some and bad for others.
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thanks jess for posting that, kinda made assumptions to get 'expected' standard deviation but they make sense.
Posted by kraemer: So while this test is an indication that the games are fair, it is far from prooving the riggtards wrong!
you are right nothing can prove the rigtards wrong. for someone as delusional as they are; logic, reason and data has no significance, they only understand the language of medicines.
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Posted by TheFarSeer:
Posted by arsenej1: . i think sites have way to much to lose by rigging deals just for a few extra $'s. pokersites earn millions and millions per year doin it correctly and if they rig it with the chance to get shut down for an extra million?
Have you ever eard about mortal sins ? There's one starting by "G" that could answer this.
I don't know about the profit of poker sites, but many sites have closed, so I believe it's good for some and bad for others.
GREED?....i understand that but if there greedy wouldnt they want the most they can get? and if so by rigging it there gonna get shut down and have ................0...........
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I can not enter their brains and find out, but the human kind often chooses the shortest path and not the right one. It's easy to think that nobody will discover this or that, and when you are facing dificulties it's even easier to choose the short way.
Nevertheless, I'm not in the group that think poker's rigged, but I won't say it isn't.
online poker is fooking rigged simple as that........... for the last 4 days i have broke even and its a fooking joke , my flushers get craked by full houses on the the river, these last 4 days have cost me around $600 so online pokeris rigged i should be winning everyday..................
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Posted by dozn01: online poker is fooking rigged simple as that........... for the last 4 days i have broke even and its a fooking joke , my flushers get craked by full houses on the the river, these last 4 days have cost me around $600 so online pokeris rigged i should be winning everyday..................
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Posted by dozn01: online poker is fooking rigged simple as that........... for the last 4 days i have broke even and its a fooking joke , my flushers get craked by full houses on the the river, these last 4 days have cost me around $600 so online pokeris rigged i should be winning everyday..................
LO-FUCKIN-L ...dozn01 wft happend to the new dozn01? the new bankroll management dozn01 the new disaplined dozn01? ubber tilt?
------------ your the only person ive ever met who can break even and still be down $600
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@dozn01, you are quite strange, then again it is wierd stuff sunday funday, 2 days ago you said "everything comes to an end "http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&...two days ago, now you say for the last 4 days you break even, but to top it off breaking even means losing $600...Its possible that we are all in the twilight zone...At least in twilight zone top gear is on...I demand tOxIcFiSh comes back and slates you as you did him.
Posted by dozn01: online poker is fooking rigged simple as that........... for the last 4 days i have broke even and its a fooking joke , my flushers get craked by full houses on the the river, these last 4 days have cost me around $600 so online pokeris rigged i should be winning everyday..................
Don't throw your toys out the pram dozn........
Tomorrow belongs to you
i thnk im going through a down swing but just breaking even on a session not losing money thou, but its geting so frustraing as i muti table i get ahead put the money in good then they hit the one outa on me or hit the full house, i play the hand good too, set them up only to be river stared, its pissing me right off cause am playing very very well.... this is a moment in my poker i have to just burn through it, at least am not losing money.................
well i am the money which i win from a table, its like pass the parsel
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funny, the post started to prove that poker is not rigged, now it's rigged . But look, if poker wasn't rigged, everybody would win and that wouldn't be fun. So let's celebrate that poker's rigged because that's why we like playing it
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Posted by TheFarSeer: funny, the post started to prove that poker is not rigged, now it's rigged . But look, if poker wasn't rigged, everybody would win and that wouldn't be fun. So let's celebrate that poker's rigged because that's why we like playing it
How you think "everybody would win'? Win what if nobody lose money? Play money chips If poker is not rigged I would win even more and online joke would lose even more
These tests are pre flop All ins and the rigged part of the on line game is the fact that the under hand often hits the flop of the small pair holds up on the flop only to be turned over at pre flop odds.
I would be eager to see stats on say AQ verses 22 with 22 leading after the flop.
Interestingly Every single site fails to test through flop turn and river using LONG NUMBER PROBABILITY
By the way for all you guys that think facts change in respect of winning or losing player I am in profit user name rigged2fk poker stars. But the fact remains I do not trust on line poker and see far to many bad beats verses true odds. I agree that pre flop hands tend to stand up on the whole(aces and kings fail on poker stars Note that aces win there percentage but take off uncalled aces and the odds are wrong The 83% win rate should be called hands only) but far to often the winning hand swops from one player to another flop turn and river.
Again remember I am a winning player who has battled for proper independent testing and to close the loop hole(gaming commission regulations) that allows deal manipulation.
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Posted by shoveandtilt: Errr, well, tbh, it's just all rigged?? I demand an LNP test, stupid online poker players. duhhhhhhhhhhh
agreed
------------ These tests are pre flop All ins and the rigged part of the on line game is the fact that the under hand often hits the flop of the small pair holds up on the flop only to be turned over at pre flop odds.
I would be eager to see stats on say AQ verses 22 with 22 leading after the flop.
Interestingly Every single site fails to test through flop turn and river using LONG NUMBER PROBABILITY
By the way for all you guys that think facts change in respect of winning or losing player I am in profit user name rigged2fk poker stars. But the fact remains I do not trust on line poker and see far to many bad beats verses true odds. I agree that pre flop hands tend to stand up on the whole(aces and kings fail on poker stars Note that aces win there percentage but take off uncalled aces and the odds are wrong The 83% win rate should be called hands only) but far to often the winning hand swops from one player to another flop turn and river.
Again remember I am a winning player who has battled for proper independent testing and to close the loop hole(gaming commission regulations) that allows deal manipulation.
Posted by jovicakralj: Well I found one very interesting article on one famous site similar to Bankrollmob. What you think, is this proof that online poker is not rigged?
Here is article:
The Debate
Over the years, public opinion has varied greatly about the integrity of online poker. Conspiracy theories have include the �cash-out curse� to pot-juicing by individual poker sites to create action and generate more rake. Some players believe that if they count to ten before going all-in they�re less likely to lose. Most of the live grinders at the Vic card room in London believe that only spies, crooks and the mentally unhinged actually play poker on the internet.
In reality, online poker is facing tough times. Black Friday and the ongoing saga surrounding Full Tilt Poker have thrown the game of online poker into disrepute. For a company of such stature to fall from grace so dramatically is almost inconceivable, and the skeptics� knives are out.
The Method
For most online poker players, bad beats and downswings are part of the game. The �rigged� theory is simply a by-product of variance. There may be light at the end of the tunnel for the doubters though, as one site is attempting to answer the age old debate. The team at Online Poker Watchdog has run a series of tests over millions of hands at leading online poker sites to determine whether there is statistical proof of �rigging� or unfair practice. The website claims to be an independent statistical auditor, solely focused on maximising the integrity of the game.
PokerStars, PartyPoker and the OnGame network are the three poker operators surveyed so far. The investigation consisted of two tests and was fairly straightforward and similar in all three cases. Firstly, over a million hands were uploaded into a database and were compared by expected number of hands won in comparison with the actual number of hands that won. The second test segregated hands that were ahead pre-flop and hands that were behind pre-flop and a comparison was executed.
The Results
PokerStars analysis focused on a sample of 1 million downloaded hands and 69,663 pre-flop all-ins from Sit n Go tournaments. Actual expectation would suggest that 35,748 of these hands would win. In reality, 35,850 of these hands won, meaning a standard deviation of +102. For those of you without a degree in mathematics, this is very close to normal. When comparing pre-flop all-ins when ahead and behind, the statistics again proved to be close to normal.
PartyPoker research looked at a sample of 1.26 million hands, breaking down 11,984 hands from $50NL full ring cash game tables. Actual expectation predicted that 6,267 of these hands would win. In reality, 6,198.5 hands won, meaning a standard deviation of -68. A pre-flop all-in comparison again proved to be very close to normal.
OnGame�s investigation studied a sample of 1.42 million hands, looking at 12,306 hands from $30NL short handed cash game tables. Actual expectation assumed that 6,457 would win. In reality, 6,454.5 hands won leaving a standard deviation of -2.5. The pre-flop all-in comparison unsurprisingly proved to be close to normal.
These tests are pre flop All ins and the rigged part of the on line game is the fact that the under hand often hits the flop of the small pair holds up on the flop only to be turned over at pre flop odds.
I would be eager to see stats on say AQ verses 22 with 22 leading after the flop.
Interestingly Every single site fails to test through flop turn and river using LONG NUMBER PROBABILITY
By the way for all you guys that think facts change in respect of winning or losing player I am in profit user name rigged2fk poker stars. But the fact remains I do not trust on line poker and see far to many bad beats verses true odds. I agree that pre flop hands tend to stand up on the whole(aces and kings fail on poker stars Note that aces win there percentage but take off uncalled aces and the odds are wrong The 83% win rate should be called hands only) but far to often the winning hand swops from one player to another flop turn and river.
Again remember I am a winning player who has battled for proper independent testing and to close the loop hole(gaming commission regulations) that allows deal manipulation.
Cant find this ON LINE WATCH DOG where is there web site and who funds them?
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Although I changed my mind of some points regarding "the rigged discussion", I still do not trust in every site at all. Now, after doing the puzzle of reliable or not that much reliable information and rumors and legends and theories - of course the rooms could fake the games. But do they do it? If you are a "rigged-believer" and have your doubts on getting a fair game - don´t play there anymore. Change the site, there are plenty. I canceled my membership at a site because it was obviously to me that they would suck my bankroll down to the last cent. It is really that simple.
Many of the rigged believers aren´t just losing players - they don´t know the whole truth why they are losing. It´s easy to say: "Hey, this must be rigged by the pokersites" - like I did that before. People (especially beginners) should know what they are going to face if they are going to play online poker: Sharks with Top-Software are after them in a hurry, BOT-Networks are operating on many major sites and even the classic colluders are still present, HH-Tools could make them predictable and there were RNG Exploits in the past ... it not has to be the pokerroom sucking your money, there could be some greedy gangsters around at these places - keep that in mind. The table looks spooky to you? Losing your nuts to wonder-cr_p most of the time? Swim for your life fishy and save your money.
