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Holla people, just wanted to know / wondered if anybody with some experiance at low stakes PLO could help me out a bit. Im currently playing PLO 5c/10c on Everest with a rolll hovering ~650. Couple of things, i seem to have crazy sick swings.... i know i know plo is sick and you have to be mad to play it etc etc, but i'm just wondering if anybody has any tips to maybe reduce my swings a little?? Ie not 3/4 potting maybe 1/2 or even checking back to small ball it and re-evaluate?? Just need a bit of mentoring and love please people ((
pps. just swung from 6.5 BI's down for the session to 4 BI up in the space of 50 hands across 3 tables.... :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Try the hi/lo version at some point and even playing in another site. Some times even the tiny change like poker client helps me relax from bad sessions and get strength for a new one
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Hey Mober I've tried mixing in a couple of Hi Lo games, and tbh the players seem a bit weaker there?? I have a pretty solid mentality now-a-days and im confident in my own abilities, i was just wondering if anybody had any good tips? Maybe i should watch some more strat vids :|
Like, will smallballing till the river with mediocre hands with good redraw possibilities be better, or betting hard for value on wet boards to maximise? Meh
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PLO games have high variance, try Omaha Hi/Lo games, less variance. The best I think are fixed limit games they have much less variance, but the potsize can be big due to everyone get the odds to call on the flop, turn and rivercard.
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tighten up your hand range it will reduce varience a lot, try and only bet with nuts and or draws to the nuts, and make sure you understand pot odds and how to utilisize bet sizing, if you already do all that then im sorry not much i can help with. PLO is a swingy game but definately the most enjoyable
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I just can't get enough of it atm I try to keep my hand range pre quite tight but not turbo nit style, the players on Everest are quite soft and you can quite often get to see a flop for cheap with less than premium hands? Equity pre in plo is completely different in PLO to NLHE...
Basically, do i just need to grow a pair and take it on the chin?
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Play more passive is a start, only be aggressive when you have a good reason to be, pays well selective aggression, play on the cheap, its a game were limping is ok, especially in EP, get in for cheap, and make big pots when your hot.
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Thanks B1g, kinda what im going for atm to be honest. Early pos limps to see flops, although Vs aggro villain i quite often limp call which is a turbo huge leak i think..? If you flop nut nut what is your general line multiway, check raising, check calling or just donking it???
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Limp calling is not too bad, you just got to be happy to fold, it does give him a chance to bluff/semi-bluff, but that can be a good thing, as the like of "nut nut" he gets to don in to yeu, and I tend to check raise unless a sputard then just donk it in, that has image advantages, save good play for someone who cares
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It really is player depending, play it the way you feel will extract the most from the villain, worth adding it also depends on what they think of your play, mix it up a bit, see what works.
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Hahaha run it thrice ftw! id prob lose all 3 though tbh, or take down the first one and get shafted ;P Yeah that's a similar line to the one ive been taking, although i think spewtards see the 1/3 pot bet as an indication to repot with pretty much any4 rofl...which, although being great, makes a tough decision for us. I think 2/3 is a bit much although i guess it does kind of match our equity?
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Im not a huge fan of AA/KK/QQ/xx unless the xx are really working for me like double suited or connected, much prefer my 789Tds or obv AKQJds. Interesting point about opening similar amounts of hands as in nlhe, not quite sure if i agree, would like to hear more behind your reasoning Nice point about the small betting, as i mentioned earlier i wasn't sure about small bets if i didnt want to induce action so maybe checking back would be better etc??
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Well I must say I realy enjoy playing those 4connecting cards (ds) aswell. They are by far my favourit. easy fold postflop or easy chip You can't misplay them basicly.
I do like dry aces, but only preflop . I'm very cautious with them. I rather bet twice 3/4th and check the river or fold. If you get reraised postflop you are mostly behind calling it down. as he either got you beat or he has draws. When your behind you're sooo much behind it doesn't make up to call down draws either.
About the playing less hands. It's mainly on active aggressive tables. You just play those good hands that flop strong. Then you get in alot of intresting easier spots.
If you got nits on your table just go meger aggressive just play alot of hans reraise them and make sure you are in position. This way you pick up alot small pots, never lose big ones. unless you like bluffing more streets ofcourse.
Thats my experience from micro stakes cash games PLO. How you play it best of luck
When I'm playing aggressive the reason behind the 3/4th bets is. the pot doesn't get bombed. you can afford putting a turnbet bluff without losing significant. If you then hit or he folds your profit is still significant as you can nearly have his whole stack on that big river bet (full pot, no longer 3/4th) or you give up and lose a reasonably small portion. if they are nits you are mostly not in massive multiway pots and the size of the pot on the flop is just from 1 raise.
They are often scared to play on, on dry flops if they didn't hit massively. So I nearly always put in a C-bet then. If I notice someone is playing back at me, I note him and turn totally different on him. Then you are more likely to win big pots against him.
Just beware of tight nits, if you basicly go all-in against them have the nuts or you are fucked.
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my vpip is around 20-30% dependin on the table in 6max =0 sometimes more if i know i can outplay the villians postflop but youll save a lot of money and avoid a lot of coolers by thinning your opening hand range, just by playing better hands your reducing varience a lot, you wont be the guy betting into the nut flush with q high or such but the only time i recommend playin kinda meh hands like a low rundown with a gap or 2 is when you KNOW the guy has aces, people can never get away from them, if u flop good u can stack them, if u miss then u lose out on a 3bet preflop sized pot, nothing much really assuming you play deep stacked.
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