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I just had a terrible streak on Pokerstars. Didn't place in my last 10 $5 sit and gos..so down $50..I had some terrible beats..kings vs 5,6 offsuit, Ace queen vs ace 9, ace 10 vs ace 9, 7s vs 10 8 offsuit, that one got my on tilt, Qs vs ace 9, ace king vs 2s. It was unreal... And these were huge pots, if I win them I'm way out in front. And I was the raiser and they call with those junk hands..Whats worse, i got knocked out 4th out of 9 places and 3rd place gets money.
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I keep making cash in cashgames and then decide to stake myself in a $5 or $10 sit and go, and I always manage to lose with the best hand. I should stop playing sit and gos but for some reason I always win in a cashgame then waste that profit on a sit and go lol.
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Ya, I see a lot of suck outs in $5 games. Maybe I should move up to $10 ones. I'm usually profitable in sit and gos but when you go all in before flop they're going to suck out 1 in 3 times or 1 in 5 times and it seems they suck out more than that..
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Ive played 2 tourneys at Pokerstars yesterday and the day before. Situation there is worse since i last played there. After 20 minutes of tourney 2/3 of players out. I havent checked the cash games but i dont think that it is much more different on low limit tables. Bunch of maniacs.
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those aren't exactly terrible beats, but i can empathize. i've had the dominating hand on countless occasions, and lost to someone who gets "lucky" or stupidly calls with a beat hand and catches a river.
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Posted by GeneYuss: Ya, I see a lot of suck outs in $5 games. Maybe I should move up to $10 ones. I'm usually profitable in sit and gos but when you go all in before flop they're going to suck out 1 in 3 times or 1 in 5 times and it seems they suck out more than that..
Ofcourse you should step up if you got a nice ROI on 5$ and the roll is for it. You seem pretty solid and I've seen your graph on sharkscope I would def. mean you are ready to step up. But stepping up in the midle of a date with Mrs Variance is a bad idea, get back on track and then step up
Good luck
To comfort you I can tell you I just played 3 hour session where I got KK extremely many times and lost everyone in a sick way. Besides that nothing really worked and 3 hours 2 tables NL50 ended in + 15,44$ not exactly the result I was looking for. Here are some examples:
AKs vs AJo: (guy is maniac) I raise 4 BB he shoves and he is shortstacked + he's done it a couple of times on others and won with worst. 4 diamond on board and he wins with flush.
KK vs 66: im in BB with 1 limper I raise 5BB he calls, flop Q-10-2 rainbow I con-bet he calls, turn Q-10-2-3 I bet pot he shoves I call river 6 and he has a set Total donk!
QTs vs Q-Jo: I raise 4 BB from dealer SB click raise I see flop J-J-9 he insta checks and I know he got a J why would he raise and insta check so I check too, turn J-J-9-K and he insta shoves and I insta call river J-J-9-K-K and he wins with house.
KK vs A-4o: im on dealer/button whatever and has 1 limper behind me I raise 5BB blinds fold limper call, flop 2-3-3 he checks I con-bet he shoves I insta call runner runner spades and he has a flush with his 4 GRRR
K-8s vs J-8o he limps behind me I raise 5 BB he calls, flops a str8 and check it I con-bet he calls turn is a K which made me feel a litle bit better but the board was scary so I check also river gives me str8 but I really had a feeling he could have the str8 so I only call his small bet to see he has a higher str8 But this 1 was fair and square just a lucky limp-call donkey.
I can't remember all hands but this was some examples from my evil session.
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Yeah it was a rough day and I seem to have alot of them lately The thing about cash is you have to "gamble"/put pressure on opponent and you can do it without too many concerns since you allways can rebuy and dont have to think of "tourney life"/survival.(sometimes in tourneys I feel I have the best hand or posibly a race situation but wont risk tourney life cause im only ahead a couple of %) I played S&G in the start and when I started cash I lost but after a while I got the hang of it and also felt it developed my game alot. Especially my feeling with the game, I read the board alot better now and im a strong believer that cashgame can help your tourney game. But yes it's totally different and I feel that I have to turn a switch when I reg. for a tourney. I clear my thoughts and plan inside my head how I will change my game because it's tourney. How you play draws, small pockets, position etc etc etc
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ha ha thats the worst it happends to me and my buddy all the time... in order to be in the money you have to place X position.. and we always place X - 1 position so just out of the money and its soooo annoying!!
You guys with the free $50 bonus should know how to manage it, just play low stakes Sit & Go's, heads up or MTTs. You'll lose a lot if keeping play that $5 Sit & Go's
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Posted by Calmplay: You guys with the free $50 bonus should know how to manage it, just play low stakes Sit & Go's, heads up or MTTs. You'll lose a lot if keeping play that $5 Sit & Go's
i don't think gene's BR is jst the 50$ ... i think he has the BR for the 5$ SnGs and don't recommend to play HU it's way too swingy when you are not a total expert in it !
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yep Acekaiser you are right about that....even if you are a solid HU player it's very swingy like you said, also omaha is a no go since there are much more luck involved.
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I've played headsup for a couple months, I was profitable but had big swings and got on tilt very easily and had to quit for the day. The reason I tried headsup cause it costs .25 instead of .50 rake.
My bankroll is about $800 on Pokerstars, will cashout soon and deposit again when reload bonus comes.
And ya, I think learning cash game can improve tournament game. I also hear a lot that learning other forms of poker can help too.
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Hey GeneYuss I understand the rake is smaller but your winning potential is also smaller.
If you want to step up dont withdraw you'll get reload bonus anyways.
"also hear a lot that learning other forms of poker can help too"
I've heard that too but never done anything about it, only played a litle bit limit hold'em which ofcourse is the same just with limit lol and a litlle bit of 5 card draw which is a kind of luckbox poker in my eyes but never really put any effort into it so cant realy say
------------ EDIT: sorry double post, internet lag.
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Ya, winning potential is a lot smaller in heads up. I noticed Another reason I liked headsup is because they only took 10-15 min instead of an hour and I could focus on just that one game.
I'll focus on 9 person tables now, those are a lot more steady for my bankroll.
I've played some Omaha sit and gos on accident and won about half of them. Really don't like that Hi/Lo crap , I had the nuts but they had like the nut low so we split. Don't really understand it exactly.
------------ BTW, can I withdrawal than deposit it right back and still get reload bonus?
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Yes you can but why would you withdraw only to deposit it again? I don't know how Stars is with the reload bonus' but at PP and other sites they come regularly like 1 time a month or so and not only when you are broke. Ehhh 9 handed are you playing at FTP or does stars also have 9 handed? When I played S&G I allways played fullring 9-10 players, found them to be most profitable. But I know for a fact that most people who live by playing S&G are playing 6 handed or HU.
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I would want to withdrawal $800 than deposit it right back instead of depositing another $600. Not sure if you can withdrawal than still get reload bonus, I have to ask them.
PS only has reload bonus about once a year so that's why I don't want to miss it. PS is getting is a little stingy on the bonus, last year it was deposit 500, get 1700points in 6 months. Now, you have to deposit 600, get 2475 points in 3 months to get the same bonus.
"But I know for a fact that most people who live by playing S&G are playing 6 handed or HU."
Thats cool, I think I might play headsup in the future. Check out "Dariominieri" on sharkscope. He's crazy
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Ehh I don't know PS rules about the reload bonus but a greedy guy like you must get better bonus' if you ask me. 1 time a year WTF ? If you are greedy why not start bonus whoring, nothing wrong in it and it's a very nice add to the profit, you should really consider it. There are nice first deposit bonus' around but also alot better reload bonus' than 1 time a year. "Dariominieri" pretty sick but "only" number 5 on sharkscope leaderboard with 5 % ROI and an "unstable" graph compared to number 1 "livb112" lol with 6% ROI but alot better looking graph.
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Yuss,, aint going to comment on your bad streak we all get them and ive sen your stats and know your good so you will come back ,,, just one point I would like to make on your starting point in your first post. I noticed you came 4th 3 times in 10 seat tables, do you always play 10 seat stgs, I dont play 10 seats you do get paid for 3 places true but you have 7 players to beat to get a place. In a 6 seat you only get 2 places true but you only have to beat 4 to get there. A win in a 10 seat pays $50 dollars and a win in a 6 seat pays $42 so the point being why play 10 seat tables ,,, ok some like the the 10 seat format so if you like the 10 seat carry on but dont you think 6 seat tables are better,,, I am sure you have played many ,,,,,what ya think??????
if you got a nice ROI on 5$ and the roll is for it. You seem pretty solid and I've seen your graph on sharkscope I would def. mean you are ready to step up. But stepping up in the midle of a date with Mrs Variance is a bad idea, get back on track and then step up 
GRRR
But this 1 was fair and square just a lucky limp-call donkey.
must get better 
