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recenly on party poker i got pocket aces i raised some 1s raise from 1.20 to 4 doller the flop came 7 of dimonds ace of dimonds and 6 of hearts i checked the next player bet 4 doller and 1 more person called i went all in 1 player called with a flsh draw and hit i lost 48 dollers what would u have done and do u think i made the right move
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in hindsight no but i think i wud hav done the same thing. A lot of peeps wud fold the flush draw and then if they calld you had decent odds. the pot was big enuf to make that move too
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I think I hade bet insted for check, becaus it is a flush draw on the flop and then try to make him to fold. but mayby he had call any way. and its un luckey that he hit it.
if you have a read on the player that he will call anything with a draw i usually wait until the turn before i push it all in, that way if they do hit but you want to call down its cheaer, and if they dont hit you can raise them all in then, the reason i say this is because a flush draw is about 36 % to hit, so as long as there are three people in the pot he actually made the right call, whereas at the turn he is only a mere 18% to win the pot, these are odds that i like a whole lot more.
And also lots more people will fold on the turn, if thats what you want to induce
you didnt play the hand wrong at all in my opinion, but if you wanted to get the flush draw to fold i would have done it on the turn, The only difficult thing in this pot is that their are so many open enders, 45, 58 , 89, in this case any 3 4 5 8 9 10 would give a *possible* str8 and would make the hand a lot harder to play on the turn. And because of this pushing on the flop is going to make your decisions much easier to make
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I think you did the rite think, then you got very unlucky he hits. I have losed to flush draw so many times i not even get upsett when i lose to it on river....always on river....and the funniest thing i dont ever get the flush but always them....them....them !
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They only have what, 1 in 3 chance to hit a flush draw? So I think you played it right. If theres a good chance that opponent will bet on flop, I'd check to him too.
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i personally think you played that right you had the best hand at that point and if you go all in with a flush or even a straight draw it takes a donk to call that much on a limp and a prayer... but even donks get lucky so really nothing else you coulda done
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That was a good move, u can't give people free cards away if they're on a draw. U were just unlucky u were playing against a fish, some people just like to gamble and call draws but most players would have probably folded
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Posted by PolskaStomil: That was a good move, u can't give people free cards away if they're on a draw. U were just unlucky u were playing against a fish, some people just like to gamble and call draws but most players would have probably folded
Same thing I was thinking, why give them free cards when you're way ahead. Unlucky you lost..
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To be honest i would most likely fold. 2 reasons. 1. that guy was raising preflop, i dont know how he played before but, he probably holds A with suited picture, other guy calls preflop raise, i dont know how he played before either but, he too also probably has A with picture.
2. FLOP: guy with flush draw raises and other guy calls, now youre certain you wont see anymore aces in this hand, because one is on board and other guy must be some real donk to call that if he is not holding at least one Ace and only thing for you is to call and see the turn. But instead you go allin, you would probably fold on the turn and save yourself $40.
EDIT: I too think you should bet something on that flop first if nothing to show him that you have A so he would think twice before reraising. But you can never know for certain what he would do.
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Predobar , I think you give bad advice..You would just fold a set of aces??? You flop the total nuts and you're telling him to fold..What in hell are you smoking
you plyaed it ok, sometimes you will lose and it's ok. player who call your big move just with flush draw played very and very often you will win that big pot, so just relax
------------ may be Predobar is right< sometimes we should fould the nuts? because on the turn we are underdog but that way is right too big re raise on flop...
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Predobar , I think you give bad advice..You would just fold a set of aces??? You flop the total nuts and you're telling him to fold..What in hell are you smoking
If you dont read them (posts) dont comment them. I said fold on turn if diamond came. Not fold on flop. Read the post. You are donks who would call with trips when there is flush on board(TURN) and someone is claiming it. If he bet on the flop instead of check he would probably just get a call or small raise from the flush guy, this way, check only, he thought "He didnt hit his Kings or Queens, (AK) so ill try to bet him out of the pot".
IN THE END. It is pointless to talk about one hand without knowing the whole picture. Who knows what impression you made on that player before he did that what he did. If someone read your/mine play, opponent would do things normally he wouldnt. Table image is half the bet you make on any hand and even more. Sometimes if you made just a minimum bet with good table image everyone will fold.
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I read your posts, they don't make a lot of sense. You should get your money in with the best hand..You shouldn't let your opponent draw cheaply especially when their implied odds are high.
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You should get your money in with the best hand..You shouldn't let your opponent draw cheaply especially when their implied odds are high.
Just think about what youre saying here. Opponent has high odds on getting his draw and wining the hand.
Isnt it against the odds to put large amounts of money into that pot?
Wouldnt it be statistically prudent to think that someone with great odds on that draw will actually call your raise?
Another thing is, i would like to see history for that hand to know exact cards everyone was holding and what came on turn and river. There is a slight possibility that guy with flush had also a straight draw. That puts his odds even higher.
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Posted by Predobar:
You should get your money in with the best hand..You shouldn't let your opponent draw cheaply especially when their implied odds are high.
Just think about what youre saying here. Opponent has high odds on getting his draw and wining the hand.
Isnt it against the odds to put large amounts of money into that pot?
Wouldnt it be statistically prudent to think that someone with great odds on that draw will actually call your raise?
Another thing is, i would like to see history for that hand to know exact cards everyone was holding and what came on turn and river. There is a slight possibility that guy with flush had also a straight draw. That puts his odds even higher.
not only could he of had the flush, and straight draw but also holding middle pair or even low pair... i dont think i would mind calling a raise with a flush straight draw AND a pair on the board! so it would be nice to see the histroy on that
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the thing with online poker is you always seem to come up against a flush or straught draw whrn you have a a pocket pair yes right move to try take the pot down but yku should always think that the strau=ight and flsh willdrop it happens alot and the pocket pairs and trips dont hold upmuch
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no matter what happens if you flop a set of aces there will ALWAYS be a straight draw.. thats just the way it works out because the Ace that you flopped can be used both high or low and one card of the flop would be in the middle and the other card connecting either the ace or the middle card.. or both
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Posted by Predobar:
You should get your money in with the best hand..You shouldn't let your opponent draw cheaply especially when their implied odds are high.
Just think about what youre saying here. Opponent has high odds on getting his draw and wining the hand.
Isnt it against the odds to put large amounts of money into that pot?
Wouldnt it be statistically prudent to think that someone with great odds on that draw will actually call your raise?
Another thing is, i would like to see history for that hand to know exact cards everyone was holding and what came on turn and river. There is a slight possibility that guy with flush had also a straight draw. That puts his odds even higher.
I'm talking about implied odds, look it up.
And about the odds..At very worst, you're opponent has 40% to win thats only if they have open ender + flush draw which is very unlikely. Most likely they are just on a flush draw and only have 25% chance to win and you don;t want to give them free cards..
P.S. xxxitaliaxxx13, having a pair and flush draw won't make much difference against a set.
