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Posted by MarcWinz: I think you should join in other things on BRM which can be profitable, but don't look at the freerolls as a way of making money - THEY ARE DEFINATELY NOT THAT !!
Are you sure? Which is the first purpose of this site? I think you missed this, "we give free money, but only online". So, FRs are part of :"we give free money". If you are broke and you wanna play cash, you can play FRs, win some $$ and go to the buy in games, and try your luck. They are like satellite tourneys. So:" THEY ARE DEFINATELY THAT!"
P.S. Did you hear about Chris Ferguson? He turned 0 in 10k in 6 months by playing FRs.
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Hi all!
I totally agree with original poster and like the fact that he's point out - online poker is risky bussiness. You really can't know who (or what - bots) youre playing against. At least untill you get a decent sample of hands on your "suspects". But that would take alot of both time and effort so idk..
I personally think that pokersites don't give two sh*ts about multiple accounts, at least as far as freerolls are concerned. They probably are more aware of cheating on higher stakes.
Sadly though, there's not much any of us can do if that's really going on except to boycott pokersites that allow that.
I remember reading in Greestein's Ace on the river: "If you think you're being cheated, get up and leave the table." - or pokersite for that matter. Besides that not much else can be done here.
Nonetheless it's a sad fact. Poker was supposed to be about honor, respect and intelligence and there's far to many players that don't care about that & consequently ruin the games. I'm a nano grinder for now, but i hope that when I move up in stakes, those things will change for the better.
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Good Work!
But there was so many thread about changing the BRM freerolls' system... nothing happened. Even Admin said about it and he said, that BRM won't change this system due to some reasons...
So there is only way to do it - accept fact, that there lot of cheaters OR don't play freerolls. I choose second option
Besides - as many members above saw - this problem is serious on freerolls/micro stakes. I didn't see anyone who is cheating on higher stakes...
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Posted by Mysik86: I didn't see anyone who is cheating on higher stakes...
Don't be so sure. Here we can see that coz they are not to smart... On higher stakes, people are much smart and for sure will not choose same names for clones. But they are playin they money, like in Multi-Entry Tournaments. But what is annoying, is the PStars can't stop that, they don't have a good system to prevent multple accounts. So they are not the best, like they say.....
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Posted by qzmag: hello, I have to say , there are too many players who have no ideea what poker is... and play bingo ... The thing is, im from Romania, and i can say there are alot of names there who are not duplicate accounts. They are different ppls, its just their name, nicknames.
*these are not duplicate accounts. different ppls. And more from that list, i cant stay to put them all. Yes some of them from the list can be duplicate. But, you cant log with 2 different account or more at the same time, and if you logging from the same IP, at some point you will caught by pokerstars, and closing your account. If i remeber correctly.
Have a nice day and GL.
Thanks for all the input guys.....we will get this thing fixed once and for all......
You can win easier if there are less people playing....
qzmag......
You can't tell me that THIS guy is 2 different people:
There is NO WAY that you can tell me that it's a total coincidence that 2 folks have usernames THAT close, with the same style of expression in the use of the letters and number...
One thing I have done also, ...is to watch what these clowns do... and it works the same nearly EVERY TIME....
They have 2 or more accounts,.....they play one while the other one or more sits out...
If they keep winning at one,...the other keeps sitting out until the blinds eat it up and that sitter out goes out of the game....
If they LOSE at the one they are playing and go out, they switch over to the one sitting out and RESUME playing their friggin' Bingo there...
It takes about 45 seconds to a minute between the time one seat loses and goes out, to the point where suddenly the seat that's been sitting out the entire game, starts to play. And when it starts to play,...it plays the EXACT style of play as the first one...... BingoBingoBingoBingoBingo.....all in, all in, all in....
....or another way they play is.......the only time they bet is if they have a pair or something like AK. They don't even need a good pair like Queens or Aces....they'll shove on a pair of 2s...
They either fold the hand, or go all in.....no in between....no thoughtfull play....just SHOVE on ANYTHING that resembles a hand....
And they DON'T care if they lose either....because they know they have 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 or 7 other seats they can switch to....
Posted by Jibberish: just sayin you should be at least glad they play crap, how much more did u win from them then u lose, if u make it to the bubble you probably stacked at least 4-5 of them i know they arent a good thing but look at the brightside of it
i knoock out at least every time minimum 5 of them get up to around 15 get monster like kings or aces bingo player goes all in wit s**t like 45 and hits str8 every time im thinking of folding all hands if i dont get to river. and i really dont like than becouse prize pool is so low ,but i dont c any other way to get in top 20
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Al3xutzu , its derivate from Alexandru, and this is one of the most "popular" name for romanian males. Al3xutzuBR , i think its from a city ( Braila , Brasov ) lots of ppls put in their nicknames their city. And 03 ... his Birthday / month. And i'm agree with you, there are alot of romanian players very badly, bingo players .... i hate to play against romanian players .... once on FT the romanian freeroll. 1st hand pre-flop ... i got AA , i was BB, and some1 goes all-in pre-flop, i call . He had 75 , on flop 7 7 4 .... he won. And more more of those hands ... Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose ... just need to stay focus, and be patient, that they will get out at some point, or you will get them out.
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Posted by 4_the_W: On higher stakes, people are much smart and for sure will not choose same names for clones. But they are playin they money, like in Multi-Entry Tournaments. But what is annoying, is the PStars can't stop that, they don't have a good system to prevent multple accounts. So they are not the best, like they say...
OK... but how PokerStars should check account multiplicity? On example: someone has access to the 2 computers with different IP's. So how the PokerStars will check if this is NOT the same person? It's not so easy as we can say this... Of course, they may deep-check accounts, but after they win some cash. There is too much work to do it on freerolls, low-stakes, etc.
PS. I remember when my friend try to cheat on Google AdSense program. There was all good since he try to cashout some cash. Then Google ban him for violating rules... Maybe PS deep-check accounts when they tries to cashout?
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Posted by Mysik86:
Posted by 4_the_W: On higher stakes, people are much smart and for sure will not choose same names for clones. But they are playin they money, like in Multi-Entry Tournaments. But what is annoying, is the PStars can't stop that, they don't have a good system to prevent multple accounts. So they are not the best, like they say...
OK... but how PokerStars should check account multiplicity? On example: someone has access to the 2 computers with different IP's. So how the PokerStars will check if this is NOT the same person? It's not so easy as we can say this... Of course, they may deep-check accounts, but after they win some cash. There is too much work to do it on freerolls, low-stakes, etc.
PS. I remember when my friend try to cheat on Google AdSense program. There was all good since he try to cashout some cash. Then Google ban him for violating rules... Maybe PS deep-check accounts when they tries to cashout?
THAT thought made me think of THIS player I came across...
2 different ISPs in 2 different countries,.....or TOTAL coincidence...?
MYPJlblK Moldova MYPJlblKA Ukraine
There is NO WAY someone can tell me THIS is a total coincidence....
MAYBE if the field was the population of the entire world,....7 Billion people......but CERTAINLY NOT in a field of 3,000 entrants.... ESPECIALLY when Ukraine and Moldova are right beside each other...
Posted by 4_the_W: On higher stakes, people are much smart and for sure will not choose same names for clones. But they are playin they money, like in Multi-Entry Tournaments. But what is annoying, is the PStars can't stop that, they don't have a good system to prevent multple accounts. So they are not the best, like they say...
OK... but how PokerStars should check account multiplicity? On example: someone has access to the 2 computers with different IP's. So how the PokerStars will check if this is NOT the same person? It's not so easy as we can say this... Of course, they may deep-check accounts, but after they win some cash. There is too much work to do it on freerolls, low-stakes, etc.
PS. I remember when my friend try to cheat on Google AdSense program. There was all good since he try to cashout some cash. Then Google ban him for violating rules... Maybe PS deep-check accounts when they tries to cashout?
that is thru ,i have 3PC ,laptop ,tablet what would happend if i go to 6plyrs cash table i would kill everybody whos playn against me . there should be more control ,f**k freerolls but what when u play cash and one guy has god 3seats in one table he has got huge advantage ,i did not really think about this issue till now .that is f**ked up huge minus for on line poker
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Posted by demodawggy: Hey!!!
I just logged into the EPTLive Freeroll game,....WHAT is the FIRST thing I see....????
bejnarel1 (Moldova) bejnarel2 bejnarel3 bejnarel4
In a tourney for 30,000 entrants.....you can bet your A$$ there will be at LEAST 1,000 - 3,000 duplicate accounts...
Do that, and all of you, who see things like that: make a screen print. In lobby, click HELP ---> CONTACT SUPPORT ----> choose Security then game security, say hi, load photo, tell them your oppinion, then sent. Let's put them on work, that's them job. Maybe this way, after many reports, they will do something about it.
I just logged into the EPTLive Freeroll game,....WHAT is the FIRST thing I see....????
bejnarel1 (Moldova) bejnarel2 bejnarel3 bejnarel4
In a tourney for 30,000 entrants.....you can bet your A$$ there will be at LEAST 1,000 - 3,000 duplicate accounts...
Do that, and all of you, who see things like that: make a screen print. In lobby, click HELP ---> CONTACT SUPPORT ----> choose Security then game security, say hi, load photo, tell them your oppinion, then sent. Let's put them on work, that's them job. Maybe this way, after many reports, they will do something about it.
but how can you have 2 accounts from same PC wit different countries makes no sense to me .i think u cant be sure that same guy is using both accounts
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Posted by Mysik86: OK... but how PokerStars should check account multiplicity? On example: someone has access to the 2 computers with different IP's. So how the PokerStars will check if this is NOT the same person? It's not so easy as we can say this...
IP is different only last class.I have an dynamic IP, so every time when i conenct, i have another IP, but is the same location. Ip is your adress. They also can ask for info, from ISP, about the client. Is a good reason for Police to force ISP to provide they infos. They have for sure IT specialists, so they know much more like i do, and i know some things about IT. I used to chat and play trivia on mIRC, from there i learned about bots scan. If they are set it good, they will catch you in a second and ban you str8! And mIRC was years ago, i'm sure things are more advenced now.
Posted by Mysik86: OK... but how PokerStars should check account multiplicity? On example: someone has access to the 2 computers with different IP's. So how the PokerStars will check if this is NOT the same person? It's not so easy as we can say this...
IP is different only last class.I have an dynamic IP, so every time when i conenct, i have another IP, but is the same location. Ip is your adress. They also can ask for info, from ISP, about the client. Is a good reason for Police to force ISP to provide they infos. They have for sure IT specialists, so they know much more like i do, and i know some things about IT. I used to chat and play trivia on mIRC, from there i learned about bots scan. If they are set it good, they will catch you in a second and ban you str8! And mIRC was years ago, i'm sure things are more advenced now.
did not know that u can do that sounds too complicated for me lol
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Posted by PixBJelovar but how can you have 2 accounts from same PC wit different countries makes no sense to me .i think u cant be sure that same guy is using both accounts
You can LIE. Like House said: "EVERYBODY LIES!" You can say there, you are from Jupiter, and give an Jupiter adress. If you will win something, you will transfer your $ to a good account.
Mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work unless it's open!
Posted by PixBJelovar but how can you have 2 accounts from same PC wit different countries makes no sense to me .i think u cant be sure that same guy is using both accounts
You can LIE. Like House said: "EVERYBODY LIES!" You can say there, you are from Jupiter, and give an Jupiter adress. If you will win something, you will transfer your $ to a good account.
Mind is like a parachute, it doesn't work unless it's open!
iv heard pros like daniela negereanu talking about this ,i did not know much about it , but that should be stopped it gives the person who dose that huge advantage
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Posted by 4_the_W: IP is different only last class.I have an dynamic IP, so every time when i conenct, i have another IP, but is the same location. Ip is your adress. They also can ask for info, from ISP, about the client. Is a good reason for Police to force ISP to provide they infos.
No, you get it wrong... IP is NOT your unique adress, because you have internal IP (router, etc) and external IP (from your ISP). Even if you have dynamic IP, your ISP has log who and when have certain IP... and dynamic IP is routed to you from some pool, which is NOT infinite, so - after period time - you will got the same IP.
Other case is when you have IT from different ISP, and more frequent situation is that you have 2 computers - one with direct internet (LAN, wireless etc) and one with mobile connection. This is where you have 2 different IP from 2 different pools from 2 different ISP. And this is almost impossible to detect.
But I know, that PokerStars checks the connection between accounts... so if bingo A win some $ and it will transfer it to bingo B, PS may ban both account, if they don't provide valid documents. I have similar situation a few years ago, when some of my friends play and earn no-deposit bonus, and then they transfer their cash to me... PS wanted my valid ID and IDs of my friends too... but it was acceptable situation, so PokerStars don't ban neither of us.
And I think this is the best solution for PokerStars - because if they check account when cashout/transfer and ban violating accounts - they save HUGE amount of time and waste idea of BingoQueen Because if someone who play bingo on multiple account and don't have opportunity to cashout/transfer, then this account is worthless
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Posted by Mysik86: No, you get it wrong... IP is NOT your unique adress, because you have internal IP (router, etc) and external IP (from your ISP). Even if you have dynamic IP, your ISP has log who and when have certain IP... and dynamic IP is routed to you from some pool, which is NOT infinite, so - after period time - you will got the same IP.
When you make an contract, they give you(besides user and password) IP, witch is YOUR ADRESS. witch will not CHANGE! You can have an router, and have many IPs, on many devices, but 1st IP/adress, is the same.
Posted by Mysik86: Other case is when you have IT from different ISP, and more frequent situation is that you have 2 computers - one with direct internet (LAN, wireless etc) and one with mobile connection. This is where you have 2 different IP from 2 different pools from 2 different ISP. And this is almost impossible to detect.
Wrong again. You can have 5 ISP, Adress is the same, even you have different IPs. Open Google, search IP tracer, is public, but you cand do that, using your PC, DOS commands. More to explain...
Posted by Mysik86: But I know, that PokerStars checks the connection between accounts... so if bingo A win some $ and it will transfer it to bingo B, PS may ban both account, if they don't provide valid documents. I have similar situation a few years ago, when some of my friends play and earn no-deposit bonus, and then they transfer their cash to me... PS wanted my valid ID and IDs of my friends too... but it was acceptable situation, so PokerStars don't ban neither of us.
If i win @5$ and transfer to another account, and from there i will play 5$ buy-in, and in time i will win someting, than withdraw, don't think they will look back... They don't check present problem, like those multiple accounts... :-j
i know they arent a good thing but look at the brightside of it 
Because if someone who play 
