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  12-Nov-13, 14:13   #101
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schmoyster 
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Posted by Arty182925:

If you didn't notice in almost 100 posts we are talking about online p oker

primitivo's question was plain and simple "Name one good russian poker player?" I answered it.
Even if we are talking about about online poker only, then still half of those I mentioned are very successful online players. Demidov and Lykov are Pokerstars Pros.

     
  12-Nov-13, 14:35   #102
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uno1Bomber 

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Posted by Arty182925:
Posted by uno1Bomber:
Posted by Arty182925:
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I saw list from uno1Bomber about bad players. 0 is for Spain, I never saw Spain player lol
..

In 2006, the Spanish government banned online gambling.
Thanks God. Big Smile
But you can play with them at several unpopular poker sites.


How then Rafael Nadal is in p okerstars sportstars Big Smile

Stars doesnt care about banning in countries Big Smile

I think I read once last year that Nadal played at stars in Spanish tourney. I guess they arent banned after all

They have their own restricted and regulated by government. po k erstars . es
Only for Spaniards
Also p o ker stars offers special conditions for some players.

     
  12-Nov-13, 16:14   #103
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demodawggy 

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Posted by Phisix:
If you cant beat them, join them!


There is truth to what you say Phisix...! The best results I've ever gotten playing The BrM tourneys on PokerStars is when I played TOTALLY wreckless just like those assholes...

9 2 off.....reraise every hand or shove

J 3 off.....reraise every hand or shove

A rag......shove

....and so on.....etc....

You play a good game,...and you sit there for 2 f'ing hours only to lose at the bubble....repeatedly....

You play like a f'ing moron,....and you make the final tables, and into the money on the leaderboards.....

It just all goes TOTALLY against your better sense... Confused

     
  12-Nov-13, 16:53   #104
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beatline92 
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Like what, so just Russian. On your all our people to go and bears play the balalaika. Everyone has their own style of play, and whining that he went without making a winner - are to blame!
Angry Angry Angry Angry

     
  12-Nov-13, 18:14   #105
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Posted by beatline92:
Like what, so just Russian. On your all our people to go and bears play the balalaika.



     
  12-Nov-13, 19:12   #106
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demodawggy 

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I prefer to strum my balalaika with my 'Plectrum'.....lol... Big Smile

     
  12-Nov-13, 21:48   #107
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primitivo 
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Kravchenko, Lunkin, Demidov, Kostritsyn, Shemelev, Puchkov, Kurganov, Pateychuck, Gerasimov, Lykov, Tulchinsky...

Never heard of any of them.

I am talking about the top players like Sam Tricket, Victor Blom, Negraneau, Ivey, Moorman, Siedel, Helmouth, Eastgate, Mizrachi, Selbst, Mercier, Haxton, Elky, Esfandiari...etc

None are Russian.

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I didn't start this thread and i don't hate Russians or Eastern Europeans i have no real contact with them except online poker and them begging outside tube stations but i do understand why someone started this thread.

As i said in my earlier post i find it annoying when they suck out but over time their bad play is exploitable so why would you hate them.

Edited by primitivo (12 November 2013 @ 22:20 GMT)


     
  13-Nov-13, 09:03   #108
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schmoyster 
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Posted by primitivo:
Never heard of any of them.

Funny thing that you've heard about Peter Eastgate (who won the WSOP Main Event) but you haven't heard about Demidov (who was his runner-up). This is called selective memory.

Posted by primitivo:
I am talking about the top players like Sam Tricket, Victor Blom, Negraneau, Ivey, Moorman, Siedel, Helmouth, Eastgate, Mizrachi, Selbst, Mercier, Haxton, Elky, Esfandiari...etc

Source: All Time Money List Top 259,453
I can't give the direct link because it is against BRM rules but you'll find it. Especially as it is a British rating.

So, what we see...

Demidov - 54th
Kurganov - 69th
Lunkin - 81st
Kravchenko - 147th
Moorman - 241th

So, what makes you put Moorman on the list of the greatest and not Demidov?

I fear that our discussion will stray to an argument about which country has got better players. And I don't want this as I only wanted to answer your question: Name one good russian poker player? I believe I named more than one.


     
  13-Nov-13, 09:20   #109
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RETT220 

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In Russian there is a saying:
Bad dancer eggs dance don't give
Giving to Russian players money , think about your style of play and your eggs
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The theme for itself closed, the results of the leaderboard will show who is stronger

     
  13-Nov-13, 09:35   #110
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schmoyster 
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Posted by RETT220:
In Russian there is a saying:
Bad dancer eggs dance don't give

Ha ha Smile This saying again.
We have already discussed it in this thread http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id...

"To the foul dancer of egg disturb

English analogy

a bad workman always blames his tools."


     
  13-Nov-13, 09:41   #111
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RETT220 

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Posted by schmoyster:
Posted by RETT220:
In Russian there is a saying:
Bad dancer eggs dance don't give

Ha ha Smile This saying again.
We have already discussed it in this thread http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id...

"To the foul dancer of egg disturb

English analogy

a bad workman always blames his tools."


Smile Smile Smile

     
  13-Nov-13, 12:35   #112
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Arty182925 
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Posted by beatline92:
Like what, so just Russian. On your all our people to go and bears play the balalaika. Everyone has their own style of play, and whining that he went without making a winner - are to blame!
Angry Angry Angry Angry


You said that right. Everyone has their own style of play, and for russian that style is all in or calling/raising every cards (even junk one).

At Primitivo. Where is Vanessa Rousso on list. I know you said etcc. but how you can forgot about her lol.... Big Smile


     
  13-Nov-13, 17:05   #113
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Mober 
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You'd wish that it is only russians that have the specific style of all in play.
You can find such players all over the planet.
And dont forget that the majority if not all the nagging about this kind of play,
is for freerolls with thousands with participants Smile

     
  13-Nov-13, 17:21   #114
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demodawggy 

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I didn't see Yevgeniy Timoshenko mentioned up there... He's knocked off over $2,000,000.00 in winnings...

His style and demeanor has evolved over the years... He used to sit at the tables and talk and talk and talk and talk. Now he's a lot more quiet, tighter, and calculating player. I was watching him play in a tourney on TV a few weeks ago. He certainly has matured as a poker player...!

     
  13-Nov-13, 18:26   #115
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schmoyster 
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Posted by demodawggy:
I didn't see Yevgeniy Timoshenko mentioned up there...

He is Ukrainian. As well as Eugene Kachalov. Both are fantastic players.

     
  13-Nov-13, 20:08   #116
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primitivo 
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Not sure where you get your facts from but Chris Moorman is the biggest ever online tournament winner.

     
  13-Nov-13, 20:13   #117
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Amtec1969 

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I always avoid rooms with lot off Russians. Mothing against Russians but cann't prove it but i think allot off times they work together.

     
  13-Nov-13, 20:17   #118
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primitivo 
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"He is Ukrainian. As well as Eugene Kachalov. Both are fantastic players."

Both are naturalised American citizens who moved there as small children.

     
  13-Nov-13, 20:30   #119
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demodawggy 

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I like Kachalov! He plays solid poker,...and is not one of these flambouyant types who makes a spectacle of himself like so many others...! Thumbs Up

     
  13-Nov-13, 20:49   #120
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primitivo 
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Posted by schmoyster:
Posted by primitivo:
Never heard of any of them.

Funny thing that you've heard about Peter Eastgate (who won the WSOP Main Event) but you haven't heard about Demidov (who was his runner-up). This is called selective memory.

Posted by primitivo:
I am talking about the top players like Sam Tricket, Victor Blom, Negraneau, Ivey, Moorman, Siedel, Helmouth, Eastgate, Mizrachi, Selbst, Mercier, Haxton, Elky, Esfandiari...etc

Source: All Time Money List Top 259,453
I can't give the direct link because it is against BRM rules but you'll find it. Especially as it is a British rating.

So, what we see...

Demidov - 54th
Kurganov - 69th
Lunkin - 81st
Kravchenko - 147th
Moorman - 241th

So, what makes you put Moorman on the list of the greatest and not Demidov?

I fear that our discussion will stray to an argument about which country has got better players. And I don't want this as I only wanted to answer your question: Name one good russian poker player? I believe I named more than one.



What you have done here is use live tournament cashes, what this fails to recognise is that Moorman rarely plays live but is up $10,000,000 online and Viktor Blom whilst being the best player on the planet doesn't make the top 200 nor does Dwan, there are going to be exceptions like Demidov but statistically Russia per capita has very few good players and this is borne out anecdotally hence this thread which again i did not start.

As iam posting this hand happened;

Full Tilt Poker Game #33505688819: BankrollMob $25 Freeroll (260372149), Table 33 - NL Hold'em - 20/40 - 20:44:19 WET - 2013/11/13 [15:44:19 ET - 2013/11/13]
Seat 1: sendfire (1,500)
Seat 2: LOM_T777 (1,679)
Seat 3: Decimo666 (3,113)
Seat 4: Phanaticus (1,380)
Seat 5: musicfrost (3,270)
Seat 7: primitivo1 (1,755)
Seat 8: KKingLeon (5,013)
Seat 9: bobybrown77 (3,290)
bobybrown77 posts the small blind of 20
sendfire posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
kemba79 sits down
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to primitivo1 [Jh Qs]
LOM_T777 raises to 1,679, and is all in
Decimo666 folds
Phanaticus folds
musicfrost folds
primitivo1 folds
KKingLeon raises to 3,318
bobybrown77 folds
sendfire calls 1,460, and is all in
KKingLeon shows [Ah Ad]
sendfire shows [6h Qh]
LOM_T777 shows [Jd 9c]
Uncalled bet of 1,639 returned to KKingLeon
*** FLOP *** [3s 9h 5h] (Total Pot: 4,878, 3 Players, 2 All-In)
*** TURN *** [3s 9h 5h] 8 of spades (Total Pot: 4,878, 3 Players, 2 All-In)
*** RIVER *** [3s 9h 5h 8s] 8 of clubs (Total Pot: 4,878, 3 Players, 2 All-In)
KKingLeon shows two pair, Aces and Eights
LOM_T777 shows two pair, Nines and Eights
KKingLeon wins the side pot (358) with two pair, Aces and Eights
sendfire shows a pair of Eights
KKingLeon wins the main pot (4,520) with two pair, Aces and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,878 Main pot 4,520. Side pot 358. | Rake 0
Board: [3s 9h 5h 8s 8c]
Seat 1: sendfire (big blind) showed [6h Qh] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: LOM_T777 showed [Jd 9c] and lost with two pair, Nines and Eights
Seat 3: Decimo666 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: Phanaticus didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: musicfrost didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: primitivo1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: KKingLeon (button) showed [Ah Ad] and won (4,878) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 9: bobybrown77 (small blind) folded before the Flop

Couple of Ukrainian geniuses.

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Latvian thinks A5 off is a great hand;


Full Tilt Poker Game #33505785351: BankrollMob $25 Freeroll (260372149), Table 33 - NL Hold'em - 25/50 - 21:04:25 WET - 2013/11/13 [16:04:25 ET - 2013/11/13]
Seat 1: SGFILTRO (1,430)
Seat 2: Ax Mk (4,525)
Seat 3: Decimo666 (4,438)
Seat 4: Emmagomez (1,280), is sitting out
Seat 5: musicfrost (460)
Seat 6: kemba79 (2,900)
Seat 7: primitivo1 (2,115)
Seat 8: KKingLeon (8,227)
Seat 9: bobybrown77 (2,905)
SGFILTRO posts the small blind of 25
Ax Mk posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to primitivo1 [2s 4d]
Decimo666 calls 50
Emmagomez folds
musicfrost raises to 460, and is all in
kemba79 folds
primitivo1 folds
KKingLeon has 15 seconds left to act
KKingLeon has timed out
KKingLeon folds
KKingLeon is sitting out
KKingLeon has returned
primitivo1 has been disconnected
bobybrown77 raises to 2,905, and is all in
SGFILTRO folds
Ax Mk has 15 seconds left to act
Ax Mk folds
Decimo666 calls 2,855
bobybrown77 shows [Js Jc]
Decimo666 shows [5c Ah]
musicfrost shows [Kh Kd]
*** FLOP *** [2h 8s 2d] (Total Pot: 6,345, 3 Players, 2 All-In)
*** TURN *** [2h 8s 2d] 5 of diamonds (Total Pot: 6,345, 3 Players, 2 All-In)
*** RIVER *** [2h 8s 2d 5d] 4 of spades (Total Pot: 6,345, 3 Players, 2 All-In)
bobybrown77 shows two pair, Jacks and Twos
Decimo666 shows two pair, Fives and Twos
bobybrown77 wins the side pot (4,890) with two pair, Jacks and Twos
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6,345 Main pot 1,455. Side pot 4,890. | Rake 0
Board: [2h 8s 2d 5d 4s]
Seat 1: SGFILTRO (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Ax Mk (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: Decimo666 showed [5c Ah] and lost with two pair, Fives and Twos
Seat 4: Emmagomez didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: musicfrost showed [Kh Kd] and won (1,455) with two pair, Kings and Twos
Seat 6: kemba79 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: primitivo1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: KKingLeon didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: bobybrown77 (button) showed [Js Jc] and won (4,890) with two pair, Jacks and Twos

Laughable.

Edited by primitivo (13 November 2013 @ 21:09 GMT)


     
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