Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 31 (M)
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Posted by Mober: The moment you characterize poker as a profession, automatically becomes a "regular job" By the way, personally never considered nor i ever will, poker as a profession. Either you make 1 cent from it, or millions.
Of course you can check your daily performance in terms of winnings, losses. You are not sending a spaceship to Mars.
I'm sorry but I stopped reading here,because up to this,this was already too much bull****,no offence.
As for the first part,for me and the players I talk about,we grind $3.50/$7 Sit and go's with large volume. We neither make millions,nor do we earn just a few pennies. For me it's a good side income of a few hundred €'s,so it is for the greek players I have contact with,they are mostly students. I'd say at least 80% of people making decent (a few hundred €s and up per month) money playing online poker are still not poker professionals,having a different job and having poker as side income.
As for the 2nd part,this part is even more ridiculous. Please play a proper SNG session of 100 games straight,25 tables continous,and then tell me again you can check properly where you're at plus where you'll be at in terms of wins/losses for the day when all your games are over.
As much as you seem to be informed about the regulations stuff,the less you seem to know about the money-making in poker. Unless you play highstakes it's a long long grind,and not something that should be taxed and set back to nil on a daily basis. Like I said,the problem isn't the tax itself,it's that it's paid daily.
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Greece
Age: 47 (F)
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What offence? None taken all you did was, trying to turn things around justifying yourself. With no success if i may add
You stopped reading there? Really? lol. I bet you have read every single line of it, but you saw you failed and tried to bail yourself out. Didnt even have to read the whole post of yours to understand this, but let me quote you " As much as you seem to be informed about the regulations stuff" !!! How did you figure out this, if you stopped reading where you said?
A couple of things thats hard for you to understand. There are the full time jobs, but there are the part time jobs also, where you can work as many hours you like. The greek students you mentioned might do that as well, as a part time job. And its not only the greek students of course. It happens globally. Lots of them have part time jobs. I have done it also, and at some point i was working full time while i was studying. Because i was studying it wouldnt count as a job? The amount of money that is untaxed in a single day, is more than enough for a "side Income" and not only for the students. So i bet none of those students could actually complain about this, right? But if they do, having the whole current economic situation in greece right now, in their minds, then what can i say? Unless they are after something more than pocket money, so the thing goes elsewhere, but lets leave it here. (And remember when in my first post i mentioned its no that bad? Before the conclusion, there was a speculation that they will tax from the first CENT).
It doesnt really affect people making the "decent" money of few hundreds per month. (The example you gave was with a few "thousands" per month). While its a tax, the amount you loose isnt that much. Its a loss yea, you could have it all, in a world without taxes, right? Didnt i like things like it used to be? Of course i did. And pay attention here, I liked things they used to be, while this measure actually has no effect on me. (winning a couple of times per year a tournament with more than 100 is nothing compared to the serious players and the effect on them)
Now lets go to the second part of yours. Do you know the difference between winnings and wins? Cause its not the same thing you know. While you talked about wins, reread my post and you will see i talked about winnings. In other words i talked about profit or loss! How hard is for you to check if you are up or down after the end of your session. Either you played hunderds, or thousands of games. You started with 100 Euro, finished your session at 136 ? you have a profit of 36 and untaxed. You finished at 85? You have a loss of 15. That simple. Thats why you are not sending a spaceship to Mars To figure the taxable amount you dont count the number of games you won or lost, but the money !!!
So i dont know a thing about poker right? Why because its so complicated and needs years of studies? lol get of the broom
Because its a long, long grind as you say, the tax should have been in a monthly basis and not daily. You know what? The general tax should have been 18% (I would prefer it way much less ) like it was a few years ago. Then it went to 19%. And guess what, now we have 23%. Wow...... isnt that incredible and totally logic too ? Its a Tax, and its purpose is specific. Comparing it to a monthly program which acquires less income, which one would you have introduced if you were in their shoes? Do you actually think that any of these so called "lawmakers" give a damn about the impact in the general population?
The worst thing that happened for the serious greek poker players isnt the taxation, but the restriction placed by Full Tilt and Poker Stars. You had two big rooms you could trust with your money with fast pay outs etc, and now they cant play most of the games, unless they do something about this in the future. Someone told me that he heard you cant even play in some depositors freerolls in PS anymore. Freeroll, not buy in !!! I hope they will revise the whole thing soon and players will have the big variety they used to have.
Plexo in his post also said : I think all poker player agree that getting taxes over your winnigns is never good And all the rest of the humanity that getting taxed agrees that its the right thing to do. Right?
