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Why do they do it???
Just played a sat, first two get tickets. I'm in 2nd with 3 remaining. Big stack has over half the chips in play and therefore a guaranteed ticket.
I have around 7bb and shove pre-flop utg with AA hoping to get a call from the 3bb short stack. Short stack folds, chip leader calls with 2,3os and hits a set of 3's to knocks me out.
I'm surprised a moron like that can count let alone play p0ker.
That is not something new, it happens very often in DoN's SitnGos where the chip leaders will call or shove with everything if a very short stack is pushing all in so that's what happened in your game, he knew that even if he lost the pot he would not be in danger afterwards. You were very unlucky to lose with aces, better luck next time sir
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You have to have a lot of pacience playing those. Some plays are ust so damn dumn that they really get on your nerves. But they are the best way to spend FPPs so i'll keep doing it.
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I hear ya dude...! VERY frustrating sh!t THAT is...!!!
...if it makes ya feel any better,...I've been REPEATEDLY HAMMERED at or near the Bubble in a bunch of FT/BrM Leaderboard tourneys by IDIOTS with JUNK and absolutely NO business even BEING in the hand in the last 3 or 4 days it has my f'ing head spinning...!?
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What gets me is that he had absolutely nothing to gain, he already had his ticket in the bag.The only action at that table should have been between me and the player in third place.
If he desperately wanted to keep playing he should have opened up another table. Still, he payed his money, guess it's his right to play it however he likes.
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Haha, I'd say about 10% of players know the correct moves in a satellite.. I'd even consider folding pre-flop in your spot there, if the positions were swapped and shorty shoved, I'd call, for sure..
I suppose another line could be to limp with the AA, see what shorty does and if only the big stack gets involved then just c/f ever street.
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It's an interesting spot, for sure. I suppose if we look at it from the perspective of the short-stack, they see you shove and they know you must have a top-tier hand, possibly restricted to AK/KK/AA, but regardless, they know you're risking being called by the big stack and being knocked out, despite being in a great position to pick up a ticket already. S o there's not a lot of incentive for short-stack to call.
It's one of those annoying spots where you get the right cards, but the wrong position and you basically have to play your hand face-up.
Short stack not only knows that they're up against a monster, but they also know that if they fold, there's a possibility that big stack is an idiot and will call and they'll get a freeroll at a ticket.
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I think your analysis is spot on there jess.
Yeah flat call for sure. If small stack shoves and big stack calls then I can still call 'cause if big stack wins the hand and busts us both I still finish in second and get the ticket. I'm very unlikely to have the worst hand out of three after the river
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Posted by zeroster: I think your analysis is spot on there jess.
Yeah flat call for sure. If small stack shoves and big stack calls then I can still call 'cause if big stack wins the hand and busts us both I still finish in second and get the ticket. I'm very unlikely to have the worst hand out of three after the river
Agreed, I'd call too.
------------ As an interesting tangent from this, let's say that scenario plays out - you limp, shorty shoves and big-stack then shoves too.. Do we prefer this to only shorty being involved? Does the benefit outweigh the risk?
------------ obviously the optimal situation is you limp, shorty shoves and big stack flats, you flat and you and biggy check it down all the way (which is how it works 99% of the time when someone isn't an idiot).
Edited by jessthehuman (10 August 2014 @ 02:35 GMT)
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Posted by zeroster: interesting one. I think I call giving us two players to knock the shortie out. I haven't done the math though it's just gut instinct.
I certainly wouldn't like it though and would be calling the big stack all the names under the sun if the shortie wins the hand.
lol yeah, it wouldn't be the happiest call, that's for sure.
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If the chip leader has most of the chips in play you expect him to call quite widely but to call with 23off just seems ridiculous as you obviously had to have had something. If the shortstack only had 3bb soon to be virtually all in maybe he just assumed he was going to win anyway but he was definitely not going about it in a very strategic way. If you had won the hand his position could very quickly have changed but if you were the shortstack in that game you would have been cheering for the 23off to win.
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Hmm mate it is good to blow up steam once it a while after a stupid knockout where the other party was clearly beaten and by a miracle managed to claw back and take the win, feels for you so good luck mate, hope next time you crush them and get the ticket but in satellite always remember that players play like crazy as it can be low cash buyin or fpps where they do not think it is valuable and tends to play negligently.
Cheers good luck mate nad have fun at the tables gonna watch the City vs Arsenal game, hoping for a good match!
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you're missing the point here fellow mobbits- big stack calls with garbage just to get the moral satisfaction of knocking out someone and "destroying his life"... he is a hero is his own mind and probably with this elimination he compensates his small p3nis, cheating wife, crappy job etc.
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Hi Zerostar. Got to say I have had days like that. The best thing to think that idiot will probably call an all-in with A Q and end up out with naff all.
Today I have had AA beaten twice by idiot calls and hands, I think the best we can do is put all this bs down to variance and say "F**k it".
