Joined: May '08
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1017
HI MOBSTERS Anyway the other day I tried to cash out my free roll winnings to redepsoit the at the same site I won my winnings,and I was'nt allowed seeing as how I didn't make a deposit.....wow....this really got me going,starting thinking about the other freeroll money I got tied up at theses other sites, not good news most of them want a deposit first then you got to play there you're deposit, or play through the requirments most of which are just crazy...........now I don't want to play any free rolls as a form of starting a bank roll,the only site so far that I found that would let you cash out, you're winnings and use them,is POKERSTARS this is there email:
Hello Stanford,
Thank you for your email.
Freeroll winnings can be cashed out, there are no restrictions... no strings attached.
Let us know if you have further questions or concerns.
If you wish to make a withdrawal of Freeroll winnings you simply need to fulfil the following criteria.
* Any Freeroll winnings can be withdrawn after 7 days. However, during this 7 day period your winnings will be placed into your Carbon Poker player wallet and can be accessed for immediate play.
here's my chat with live support on POKER4EVER, with there requiremnets: Chat InformationPlease wait for a site operator to respond.
Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Pascal'
Pascal: Welcome to Live help, my name is Pascal.
Pascal: Hello
stanford: hi
Pascal: you need to earn a certain amount of Poker Points to be able to cash out
stanford: how many do u mind me asking
Pascal: One moment please.
stanford: sure
Pascal: It's 12 times the amount of your winnings
Pascal: If you in 10$ you must earn 120 Poker Points to be able to cash out
stanford: is that per free roll winnings or does that cover all free roll winning
Pascal: That covers all freerolls winnings
stanford: ok thank you
Pascal: You're welcome.
here's my chat with live support on POKER4EVER, with there requiremnets: Chat InformationPlease wait for a site operator to respond.
Chat InformationYou are now chatting with 'Pascal'
Pascal: Welcome to Live help, my name is Pascal.
Pascal: Hello
stanford: hi
Pascal: you need to earn a certain amount of Poker Points to be able to cash out
stanford: how many do u mind me asking
Pascal: One moment please.
stanford: sure
Pascal: It's 12 times the amount of your winnings
Pascal: If you in 10$ you must earn 120 Poker Points to be able to cash out
stanford: is that per free roll winnings or does that cover all free roll winning
Pascal: That covers all freerolls winnings
stanford: ok thank you
Pascal: You're welcome.
a few other sites did'nt get back me yet but I get the feeling that my winnings aren't really mine more like PLAY MONEY...................... IF YOU GOT ANY THING TO ADD OR SAY PLEASE DO.....
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 59 (M)
Posts: 6786
Most of the sites have a minimum amount you can cash out. So winning 2 bucks in a freeroll and cashing out your new found wealth will be impossible at all sites.
Your bank or your e-wallet will charge the site for the transaction, so it is understandable that the pokerrooms don't want to do too many cashouts.
Joined: Dec '07
Location: Denmark
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 2644
Only advice.....stop playing freerolls unless you are bored and are trying to kill time. The players are annoying, the learning proces is slower due to the stupid careless players and obv the cashout restrictions are lame. Play micro buy-in instead like 10cent to 2$ it can be found on severral pokerrooms and may give you a better learning invironment and no cashout probs yet still extremely soft games..
Joined: May '08
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1017
OK GOOD NEWS JUST FINISHED CHATTING WITH LIVE SUPPORT AT CANADAPOKER THEY HAVE NO REQUIRENMENTS ON FREEROLL WINNINGS THEY SAID YOU CAN CASH OUT ALL YOU'RE WINNIGS EVEN IF YOU WIN THERE FREEROLLS, THEN DECIDE YOU WANT TO PLAY RING GAMES, AND WIN THERE , IF YOU DECIDE YOU'VE WON ENOUGH AND WANT TO CASH OUT YOU CAN,NO STRINGS ATTACHED...WOW THIS IS WHY THIS IS MY FAVORITE SITE TO PLAY.....IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CHECK IT OUT THEN BY ALL MEANS DO....JUST LET THEM KNOW S_POKER! SENT YOU, COULD SURE USE THE LITTLE BUMP UP.........
------------ Oh by the way the amount of money I've in most of my poker accounts (the ones I can't cash out on totals about $300 here and there) a bit here a bit there, anyways most won in free rolls the rest I built a little bankroll with, playing tourneys and such, most of which started by playing freerolls, deposited a few times but was very disappointed with the results, all just trying to clear up free roll money won.............
Joined: Jan '08
Location: Croatia
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 1308
First I wanted to comment only Carbon but there will be Poker4ever thing too. Carbon Poker REQUIRES YOU TO MAKE A DEPOSIT before being able to cash out, at least was the case some month ago, another thing about Carbon and entire Merge network is when you read T&C on their player admin page it is stated that minimum deposit and withdrawal is $25, TRUTH is that minimum deposit for MB, that I know for sure and it is up-to-date information, is $10 and minimum withdrawal is $50 so one advice for all you mobsters, be annoying if you have to but ask specific questions when you talk to support and keep asking them until you get your answers. They try to hide real data by answering only half of questions, like "what is minimum deposit/withdrawal for MB?' answer:"Minimum deposit is $10" and that`s it, withdrawal question is not answered. I have to admit that Merge Network does not require you to fulfill some playthrough requirements on your freeroll winnings, they are available after 7 days. Poker4ever or I should say entire Everleaf gaming network allow withdrawals WITHOUT making a first deposit. Only verification process has to be completed and once it is done you`re there. BUT there is a catch which was not there before and is now. Those 12 poker points per freeroll dollar did not change since I started playing there. Thing that DID change and it was done in silence by changing one word in their T&C. When I started playing there, Poker points were earned by contributing to pot and one would get 12 poker points for every $1 he/she contributed to the pot. Original sentence was something like this: "In short: You get 1 PokerPoint for every 10 cents that you contribute to the pot." and now this is the way Poker points are earned: "In short: You get 1 PokerPoint for every 10 cents that you contribute to the rake.", Did you notice how they changed single word and make it some 12x harder to earn points and this is not all. One would say "Ok what is the big deal, I`ll play more and earn those points", you will somewhere around 2010 if you won over $50 and play poker right, not being total maniac going allin every hand because there are average 200 players on site and most of the time one full table for lowest NL HE where btw pots often are 3 or 4 times bigger on $0.05/$0.10 than those on $0.25/$0.50, most of the time it is this way and it is the only table available, it is possible that I have bad luck entering the site at the wrong time im not sitting there for entire day waiting, so you don`t have much choice. Simple math, to release your $50 you have to be raked, you only not entire pot, $600. Multiply those $600 by 12 you get $7200 and that is the amount of bets you will have to make before you will fulfill your requirement. Even if you are maniac going allin every hand it comes to this, 7200/50=144, meaning that one must make 144 allin bets for $50 winnings. I have not seen a single casino with bigger wagering requirements. EDIT: I forgot to mention, there is a rake cap, so even if you go allin it is not that simple.
Joined: May '08
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1017
for sure you got to be a nag if you want real answer's from the site's. The guy at canadapoker kept trying to rush me off but I just kepted asking,him what I needed to know and flat out asked there support guy I"M I WAISTING TIME PLAYING YOU"R FREE ROLLS, and his answer was, no if you win anything in the free rolls you can play it,win with it if you can, if you win enough to cash out then you can,it pretty much depends on you're banking. I asked him if he was willing to go record as saying that he said I'm, you'll get the transcritped from live support about you're iquery........kewl, he also mention that they collect rakes at the tables, and by that way they still make there money off of you
Joined: Oct '07
Location: Australia
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 405
yes its your money you earned it no question about it no denial i have won freeroll money and cashed it out no problems on many prestigious poker networks indeed i have done so to that effect and manner
Joined: May '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 47 (M)
Posts: 869
[QUOTE]Posted by xxxpokerxxx1: for sure you got to be a nag if you want real answer's from the site's. The guy at canadapoker kept trying to rush me off but I just kepted asking,him what I needed to know and flat out asked there support guy I"M I WAISTING TIME PLAYING YOU"R FREE ROLLS, and his answer was, no if you win anything in the free rolls you can play it,win with it if you can, if you win enough to cash out then you can,it pretty much depends on you're banking. I asked him if he was willing to go record as saying that he said I'm, you'll get the transcritped from live support about you're iquery........kewl, he also mention that they collect rakes at the tables, and by that way they still make there money off of you [/QUOTE
Come and play we have no restriction on freeroll winnings....
I don't know if that helps you, 'xxxpokerxxx1', but I had the same 'problem' at Full-Tilt-Poker. After iI wrote to the support (not necessary), I paid something in and than I withdrawled it again..., plus that what I original wanted to withdrawl. And what should I say...: no problems... : -P ...and I was really a little bit afraid.
I also was allowed to play the first-deposit-freeroll then...... ; -)
Joined: May '08
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1017
Posted by dezimC: I don't know if that helps you, 'xxxpokerxxx1', but I had the same 'problem' at Full-Tilt-Poker. After iI wrote to the support (not necessary), I paid something in and than I withdrawled it again..., plus that what I original wanted to withdrawl. And what should I say...: no problems... : -P ...and I was really a little bit afraid.
I also was allowed to play the first-deposit-freeroll then...... ; -)
okay so I could go to action poker and win in a freeroll there and if wanted to can cash it out with out making a deposit I can, is that correct......the only reason I make sure of this is because if I can win there then I want to redosit just for bonuses...most site don't let you do this.......
------------ I really want to try action here lots of good things about it,currently can't get the bonuse from mob due to the fact i don't have id verified.....but i did get a bonuse from the but it was'nt for poker......Reallly want to try it out......
Edited by xxxpokerxxx1 (26 August 2008 @ 19:32 GMT)
