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Posted by tonespoker:
I haven't played PLO in a while, but found that 3betting (especially in 5PL zoom) to be quite redundant with hands like AAxx. I always did anyway, but didn't necessarily have a post flop plan. I feel that planning your moves before you make then in PLO to be really important. In multi way pots situations, most hands have some similar equity/blockers for both hands. Obviously, you want to play the largest pot possible preflop with these hands, but that's hardly ever the case unless someone else is playing AAxx. I would prefer a 3 bet, as I think flitting with hands of this calibre should be left to situations where you have a read on villains tendencies. You get rid of a fair amount of his range, and if he decided to flat he'll be forced to play from OOP. 3 betting gets fold equity, the potential to stack off preflop, and chops a lot of his QQxx, 5689 type hands etc (assuming he isn't like me in PLO and is capable of folding potential wraps).

I'm in my ipad so it's a real bitch to get up hand converter, but I'd really like to see preflop equity stats. I have a little problem with the way villan played it post flop too, but once you pot it he is pretty much committed based on his EV, even without the nut flush draw. A raise to $7-8 can still allow him to flat, but once you pot he has way too much equity to fold given the pot size. But he might just 3 bet jam and you have to continue. He has the wrap, and the second nut flush draw, but his hand can potentially be his downfall. The wrap takes away some of his outs, hero is doing this with a pretty limited range that DEFINATELY includes a wrap+nut flush draw, sets, TP, sets + flush draw etc? it's pretty fair to assume that hero COULD have blockers to villains draws, but like I said earlier, heros pot bet makes the pot way too big to just flat. I think a 2.5-3x flop raise might have been enough for him to consider flatting, but if he's shoving this hand regardless then all of what I've said is redundant.

I'm DEFINATELY not knocking your play mahdrof (except maybe the flat preflop but I do understand it, especially in zoom PLO), but you basically made the hands play themselves post flop, where you could have taken it down on preflop, or on the turn when the board pairs (assuming he flats your flop raise, and folds to all paired board turns). This is all assuming villan knows a little bit about poker, and given the stack sizes (some are huge for 25PL zoom) it doesn't seem really fishy.

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Editing my claim of AAxx raises being redundant preflop, meaning that people will come along with almost anything anyway, and shove to your lead on the flop where you have to fold almost all hands that don't hit hard/have really good drawing equity.

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Ok so it's 60/40 preflop and 50/50 on the flop. Hands playing themselves (assuming ya'll both know how to calculate EV). Disregard hand analysis, acquire downvotes

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Down votes for me of course.


No down votes for voicing your opinion, I really appreciate someone looking up the percentages for me because at PLO I don't have a good feel for percentages. I play half stack at zoom, don't see too many regs and try to get my money in quick when I have the cards, either preflop or on the flop. If I double up I close down the table and open up again with half stack (yes this is rat-holing and stars lets me do this 8 times every 20 hourse as per their policy http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/room/features/buy-in-ob... ) If I am having a good session and I think I am on my last half-stack table I will then run it up as high as I can until I either get stacked or lose my focus and end the session with a stack which is over the BI.

So on that day when I played this hand and was rivered by the royal flush, I was happy with my session and was getting ready to close down, eat breakfast and go to work. I played it "safe" and flatted with aces double suited. Aww crap! Not a tragic end to that session but it diminished my profit by a lot.

Edited by mahdrof (06 December 2014 @ 11:49 GMT)


     
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There's nothing worse than posting a big profit, keeping it on the same table and getting some ridiculous sick hand that takes it all, and you have nothing to show for the session. Grinding 12.50 up to 35+ and seeing all that profit go across the table due to some sick set v set in Holden, or a rivered 1 outer. This was sick.

Always happy to voice my opinion, and hope to hear constructive criticism from the forum. Any advice can be useful Thumbs Up

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Didn't know that PS had that rule in place, and seems a weird number, 8 in a 20 hour period. Why 8?

     
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Posted by tonespoker:
Didn't know that PS had that rule in place, and seems a weird number, 8 in a 20 hour period. Why 8?


I was never into ratholing until I started playing PLO zoom on stars and saw a lot of people doing it with a half stack. After I tried it and adjusted my game to it, I found that I could make decent money and was withdrawing regularly until they tightened the rules. Apparently players were complaining, but I think they just didn't like how some players were making it work and were taking money out of their "poker economy". As a big stack playing a half stacker, you just need to adjust your game and realize that the money is going to be in the middle pretty fast if the pot is big preflop. When I transition during a game from half-stack to full stack or bigger I am able to change my playing style, the other players should do the same thing instead of whining to PS.

Edited by mahdrof (06 December 2014 @ 15:32 GMT)


     
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How big is the BI swing? Playing micro PLO, the variance is ridiculous, sessions where you can literally post a 10 BI profit just as easily as you can lose 3BI's (what's your max BI downswing before you give up a session?). Especially stacking off in similar equity situations, how's the variance?

     
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