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Lets analyze together....1$-2$ NLH  0   
Okay, I had a sick session on a 1$-2$ NLH table 2 days ago.

First: This is a hand I lost. I am Dr. Krauss.

Second: Me and the other player talked about this hand for a while.Not swearing, but analyzing and came to the same result.

Third: I managed to leave the table with 689$, so I am not that angry that I lost this one.

But I would like to know how YOU would have played it.
If the answers are interesting I´ll post some other hands from this table.



Hand #1605011752000149: Seville (6-Max) 11752
Seat 3: McLo*** (209,15 in chips)
Seat 4: Brea*** (156,35 in chips)
Seat 5: Dr.Krauss (424,90 in chips)
Seat 6: Jerz*** (410,85 in chips)
Seat 7: wari*** (250,20 in chips)
Seat 8: Ding*** (213,90 in chips)
Brea***: posts small blind $1
Dr.Krauss: posts big blind $2
Dealt to Dr.Krauss [ 3c 3d ]
Jerz***: folds
wari***: folds
Ding***: folds
McLo***: raises to $8
Brea***: calls
Dr.Krauss: calls
@@@ F_L_O_P @@@ [ Ts 3h 8h ]
Brea***: checks
Dr.Krauss: bets $18
McLo***: calls
Brea***: calls
# # # TURN # # # [ Kc ]
Brea***: checks
Dr.Krauss: is all in 398.9000
McLo***: is all in 183.1500
Brea***: folds
Dr.Krauss: returns uncalled bet $215,75
McLo***: shows Ah Kh
Dr.Krauss: shows 3c 3d
&&& RIVER &&& [ 7h ]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
McLo*** wins $441,30 with Flush, Ace high

Evil

     
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flop - raise pot Agree

Edited by jamal300 (28 August 2008 @ 18:00 GMT)


     
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I think you played it right, if you went all in on the flop I think you would have been called also, but if i was McLo i think I would have fold when you made the all-in bet

     
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Preflop is standard with 33. You could have tried a checkraise on the flop. But for this you have to be sure that the preflop aggressor will make a c-bet. I do not understand that huge overbet at the turn. There is around 100 in the pot and you bomb nearly 400?

     
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Villain stats/history? How often does he cbet?

Pretty standard imo the flop is draw heavy so if you're 1 of those guys who allways flop bet the same size to disguise hand strength you do that if not varier depending on flop texture and bet just under pot like 21-22$ since it's a drawy board and with the plan to shove turn if you get a fold you just picked up 2BB more. You could also CR the flop but I can't come up with a good reason to do it without knowledge about opponent McLo*** I mean don't want him to check behind on this board.


btw. pot size on streets next time plz Cool

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
Villain stats/history? How often does he cbet?

Pretty standard imo the flop is draw heavy so if you're 1 of those guys who allways flop bet the same size to disguise hand strength you do that if not varier depending on flop texture and bet just under pot like 21-22$ since it's a drawy board and with the plan to shove turn if you get a fold you just picked up 2BB more. You could also CR the flop but I can't come up with a good reason to do it without knowledge about opponent McLo*** I mean don't want him to check behind on this board.


btw. pot size on streets next time plz Cool


Right, you dont want your opponents to check behind on this board.
I bet about 2/3 pot and get 2 calls. So i can be sure theres at least one flushdraw out there plus a possible straightdraw with sth. like J Spade 9 Spade, or maybe the gutshot with sth. like Q Spade J Spade, or a top pair with a decent kicker, like A 10 or K 10.
A better set would have raised, an overpair would have raised too, since my opponents werent complete noobs.
The flop has to make them worried too.

Since I dont know WHICH position has the flushdraw, I cant bet the pot on turn. Imagine the BB has the Flushdraw, Button calls pot size bet = perfect odds for a check/call by the BB there.

Since I know that Im in front on turn, I decide to massively overbet to push the guys off their draws.

McLo admitted that he knew he was beaten by far, didnt calculate an A, a K or sth. else as additional outs to his fd and made a tilty call to catch lucky, since he had just suffered a mean set over set beat at another table.

The problem with not going all in is the following....if I bet sth like 100 on turn and McLo calls, can I fold the river if he bets his last 80 bucks? When the pot is at 360?
Dont think so. So it is by far a better move to use that money on turn to push them off, than to do some tricky potbetting there or only lightly overbet.

I think it was a good move and in the end its one of those calls youre begging for and one of those rivers where you want to puke...


     
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Yep you played it great with the lead on flop you'll often end up AI on flop with alot of hands like overpairs/strong draws and turn is ofcourse even better.

     
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bet more on flop

     
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Posted by M3turbo:
Yep you played it great with the lead on flop you'll often end up AI on flop with alot of hands like overpairs/strong draws and turn is ofcourse even better.


lol. Ty mate Big Smile . I dont think it was such a great move though. Depending on the opponents I think you often bet out with a set too, and regarding your analysis you seem to be a frequent player too.

But as I stated: thx.

     
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I think you played it good, I would have played it the same. Got your opponent all in when he only has 9 outs. 4.5 to 1 underdog he was, can't get your money in much better than that.

     
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Sure mate....we could talk about pro/con for the CR?


I think it depends alot on dynamic with villain McLo and his style, if he cbet's regularly or simply attacks weakness. Is he a thinking villain could he check behind or fold to the CR or simply aggres with minimal thought behind? Also important how does he see you.

Worst case scenario with the CR he checks behind and 1 of the many scarecards (he opens from button so I guess he could have J9/Q9/QJ besides the flush draw) drops on turn....ugh

He cbets and you CR to 55'ish in this way you get more in pot before trying to close it with turn shove. Besides that if villain got KT/QT/AT/overpair/(T8) you look pretty much like a strong draw trying to buy it(he thinks you raise JJ+ pre so he's only affraid of 88/33 so and an aggro villain might even shove here also with his strong draws.......grrrr.....girlie is calling for me I'll be right back Smile

edit: im back Tongue

The CR could make another villain fold KT/QT//JT/AT/99 where he probably would pay 2 streets with a flop lead+ the right turn card.

Imo it's hard to come to an conclusion since it depends so much on villain.

Would like to hear your thoughts about it Cool

Edited by M3turbo (30 August 2008 @ 00:06 GMT)


     
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When does the right turn card come? Blink

Bet on what is, and not on what you hope for. So a checkraise would be the right thing if we could be sure that the preflopaggressor would c-bet. And a set is not so strong that we can easily slowplay. As this hand shows.

     
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Hehe yeah it's hard to CR someone who checks behind Tongue

     
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Heeeej folks,

another funny hand for you.

Especially for M3Turbo. Id appreciate your analysis mate.
Although there is not that much to analyze, its more an example of people playing their hands so bad, you want to give them a hug.

Cool


Okay, online game at Titan Poker, 1$/2$ NLH. The game is 6-handed we have been playing for an hour in that constellation. A weak player ( loose-aggressive, toppairfanatic, nearly unbluffable, obviously from the low limit section ) opens in utg+1 for 4$.

I am NasserIltis.

Im in the big blind with 10 Heart J Spade .

sb: calls 3$
BB: calls 2 $

Flop: 10 Club 3 Diamond 10 Spade

sB: checks
BB: checks

tonymontana79 bets: 20$! > first laugh, min raise, then overbet. Only question: which overpair is it?

sB: folds
BB: raise to 40$

utg+1: raise to 132

BB: Raise all in with 268

utg+1: call

showdown: BB shows: 10 Heart J Spade , utg+1 shows: K Club K Diamond

turn: 8 Heart
river: 4 Heart

BB wins 537,02$ with three of a kind, 10.

I started dancing when he made the call and laughed so hard. What a stunning misplay.


You can barely see that play at the 10$ tables, and seeing it at a 200$ table made me very very happy. Big Smile

     
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Posted by Divinitas:
Heeeej folks,

another funny hand for you.

Especially for M3Turbo. Id appreciate your analysis mate.
Although there is not that much to analyze, its more an example of people playing their hands so bad, you want to give them a hug.

Cool


Okay, online game at Titan Poker, 1$/2$ NLH. The game is 6-handed we have been playing for an hour in that constellation. A weak player ( loose-aggressive, toppairfanatic, nearly unbluffable, obviously from the low limit section ) opens in utg+1 for 4$.

I am NasserIltis.

Im in the big blind with 10 Heart J Spade .

sb: calls 3$
BB: calls 2 $

Flop: 10 Club 3 Diamond 10 Spade

sB: checks
BB: checks

tonymontana79 bets: 20$! > first laugh, min raise, then overbet. Only question: which overpair is it?

sB: folds
BB: raise to 40$

utg+1: raise to 132

BB: Raise all in with 268

utg+1: call

showdown: BB shows: 10 Heart J Spade , utg+1 shows: K Club K Diamond

turn: 8 Heart
river: 4 Heart

BB wins 537,02$ with three of a kind, 10.

I started dancing when he made the call and laughed so hard. What a stunning misplay.


You can barely see that play at the 10$ tables, and seeing it at a 200$ table made me very very happy. Big Smile


standard donk play he isnt a thinker there wasnt alot he could beat i mean its an easy fold imo aswell for one theres not alot of hands 2 pair can beat i mean theres no draws out there for him to put you on and your in the BB so your range is HUGGGGGGE the only thing he must of put you on was a bluff which was clear u aint when u 3bet him

     
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Lol, that second pot is lovely. It's always nice to win that way! That guy should've known you had a 10, he just couldn't let go his KK.

     
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why does any 1 worrie about a bad beat if you havent got the nuts you are only donkey betting only your self so how can you complain

     
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Posted by upsized:
why does any 1 worrie about a bad beat if you havent got the nuts you are only donkey betting only your self so how can you complain


This may be true for omaha. But in holdem you rarely have the stone cold nuts. So only betting the river when you got the nuts will allow people to play perfect against you.

     
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