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Here's an interesting hand with a little background information.

You're playing heads-up $0.5-$1. Having started out with $200, you now have $500, and a new guy sits down with $100. You soon find out that he's extremely passive, raises to $2-$3 pre-flop and folds to many re-raises.

You have A HeartK Heart and raised pre-flop, obviously. Your opponent called, and the flop came 3 Heart 7 Heart 4 Heart. You bet $6 and get check-called.

The turn is the Q Heart. You decide to slowplay, and both of you check.

Fifth street comes 8 Club and an interesting turn of events takes place.

Opp bets $9
You raise to $29
He raises to $53 (point 1)
You raise to $108
He raises to $163 (point 2)
You go all-in

What should you have done different?

A: You should have folded after point 1
B: You should have called after point 1
C: You should have folded after point 2
D: You should have called after point 2




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Your answer

B (correct)


Folding at point 1 is a bit extreme, but you should just call.

What is your _passive_ opponent supposed to have? There are four hearts on the table, and you have the ace and the king. There's no way your opponent will act like this with a jack-high flush.

His first bet says "I have a flush." Your reraise says "My flush is better, I have the ace." The next reraise says "No, I have the ace, or the straight flush, or a bluff." And you have the ace of hearts... Raising is bad, you'll only get reraised by better hands. With only three hearts on the table, or against a very loose opponent, you could reraise again. This doesn't fit the scenario, though.

If you do raise, you have to fold to his fifth bet - there's no way your ace of hearts is the best hand. Heart

     
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There is no way his hand could beat yours.. Of course such a tight player wouldnt play a 9 dl raise with the two missing hearts.. Reraise all in and collect..

This education is bad in my standing.. If you lose out with nut flush well then you lose.. Get as much value as you can on nut hands..

     
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Bet turn, bet/shove river.

Turn is a perfect card you can only hope Villain hit a flush, why check? You gotta bet to build the pot with semi nuts HU.

Edited by M3turbo (14 October 2008 @ 20:49 GMT)


     
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yes, I agree

     
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"If you do raise, you have to fold to his fifth bet - there's no way your ace of hearts is the best hand."

There is no way that i fold nut flush on this. If i do i will have to have like soul read on opponent. So Little odds that opponent has straight flush.

     
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I can see where people are coming from saying "there is no way I am going to fold the ace high flush" but honestly, what do you put your opponent on with all this raising here? The only plausible hand is the straight flush. Unless of course the player is terrible and has something like two pair or a set, but at .50 1.00 blinds not many players are THAT bad with a 4 flush on board. Look at the HH, its HU, is it that far of a stretch to say that he calls a raise PF with 56 suited? No, I know I would do it. Than he check calls when he flops the nuts, pretty standard play. Checks the turn to try and get another bet from you but you check, so on the river he puts a little $9 bet in to try and get you to call, you one up his expectations and raise him, so he puts in another small reraise, ($29 to $53, $24 more only, does that not scream "PLEASE PAY ME OFF!!"?)

Honestly, step back and look at it, he has the straight flush.




.............Or he somehow thinks a J high flush is golden, not likely though.

     
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Perfect play would be fold or raise on the river. Fold if you're beat, raise if you're winning or if you can get opponent off better hand.

     
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If the opponent is really that passive there is no other hand than the straight flush that he would play that way. But you must be pretty sure in your jugdement.

     
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I can remember 2 situations like that... i raise, and get a reraise, then i raise again and get popped by another reraise in my face.. i just KNOW he has the straight flush... but i cant seem to fold... i called all inns both times!

     
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"raises to $2-$3 pre-flop and folds to many re-raises."

if youve been thrashing away at him with re-raises, I think he would make a stand here with ThJh enough of the time to make your shove profitable.

     
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Posted by GeneYuss:
Perfect play would be fold or raise on the river. Fold if you're beat, raise if you're winning or if you can get opponent off better hand.

Quoted for truth. I totally agree.

     
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i agree i would never fold that kind of hand, even is there's a little chance he beat me on the showdown

     
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LOL at folding the A high flush theres like 1 in a million that he has the straight flush and folding here is not only daft but wrong in the long run if he really does have it its a cooler but you carnt fold here ever and m3turbo is right.

you fold here your a dumbass imo and are to nitty for poker

     
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Posted by GeneYuss:
Perfect play would be fold or raise on the river. Fold if you're beat, raise if you're winning or if you can get opponent off better hand.


I lol'ed Smile

padod is spot on.

     
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Posted by padod:
LOL at folding the A high flush theres like 1 in a million that he has the straight flush and folding here is not only daft but wrong in the long run if he really does have it its a cooler but you carnt fold here ever and m3turbo is right.

you fold here your a dumbass imo and are to nitty for poker



i would agree with padod too... when i hold a nut flush i will never fold... may be i pay out my villain a few times. perhaps i loose much money in there but longtermed you will make the better income i guess.

     
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nooby you can fold if your sure they have a full house but not a straight flush, the board isnt paired and the odds of them holding a 5 6 of hearts on a 4 flush board is astronomical, you carnt be scared of a straight flush here EVER GENEYUSS

     
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I agree I would never fold that kind of hand, even is there's a little chance he beat me on the showdown and I would play it on the whole stack.

     
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Posted by GeneYuss:
Perfect play would be fold or raise on the river.


loooooooool

     
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