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im playing at ladbrokes but the have one big problem there, lets say u raize some guy go's allin and a other player calls that allin u cant go allin u can just call the guys allin , can any one tell why ?
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ya i understand that but lets say u have 5 dollars u bet 1 dollar a player has 2 dollars and go's allin now a other player how has lets 4 dollars but just calls the 2 dollars, no its back 2 mee and i can just call the 2 dollar allin and cant put the guy with the 4 dollars allin preflop.
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oh i see, then i dont know sorry once ive heard/read about a "all in restriction"...but that has been a while ago and im not sure if its the same case as yours...gonna check it later for you but maybe someone else knows the answer ?
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If the re-raiser ( who has gone all in ) has not put in at least a minimum raise ( ie double your raise ) then you do not have the option to re-raise. It's just one of the rules of NL. Holdem.
You need to know about this rule. If a player is short stacked and you have a hand where you would like to re-raise then you must tailor you bet sizes to allow you to do so.
Keep an eye on stack sizes and if you want the option to re-raise then make your bet no more than half the size of anyones stack.
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It is somewhat strange and most learn about it when it bites them and they are left shouting at the computer.
I believe that if it is not at least the min raise then it is considered to be closer to a call than a re-raise and hence why the initial raiser is only given the option to complete or fold.
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I discovered this rule a while ago. holdem is quite funny when concerning ppl who are all in or when somone has just lost their stack. Its funny cos you dont tend to stick to the rules in real life games.
I dont see what your problem is though since if both players called you, you wouldn't be able to re-raise anyway and its only a little bit more than you raised. the only difference is the second caller can't raise or check-raise. (depending on position)
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Posted by awood88: I dont see what your problem is though since if both players called you, you wouldn't be able to re-raise anyway and its only a little bit more than you raised. the only difference is the second caller can't raise or check-raise. (depending on position)
You can't bet the second caller out of the hand preflop. Most of the time you have a hand that plays best against one opponent if you raise in early position.
Simple solution: Raise an amount that avoids this problem. Either putting the shorty all in yourself, or raise so low, that you can reraise, if he pushes.
Posted by Dellbo99: If the re-raiser ( who has gone all in ) has not put in at least a minimum raise ( ie double your raise ) then you do not have the option to re-raise. It's just one of the rules of NL. Holdem.
I faced this problem too, now I know that there is a rule for that, thanks.
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Posted by ljuban: ya i understand that but lets say u have 5 dollars u bet 1 dollar a player has 2 dollars and go's allin now a other player how has lets 4 dollars but just calls the 2 dollars, no its back 2 mee and i can just call the 2 dollar allin and cant put the guy with the 4 dollars allin preflop.
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When i just started poker i also didnt know this rule. Now i know its just a rule, sometimes its pretty annoying rule in some situations but hey its a rule
In homegames we dont do this rule cos most friends dont have a clue about this
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Posted by doomdy: Can anybody tell me whats the thought behind this rule? I mean why there is this rule in the first place, cos sometimes its pretty annoying.
In my eyes a result of the rule that you have to raise at least the amount that someone has bet. So if a player bets 1000 after the flop and you opt to raise, you have to put in at least 2000. And if the shorty does not have that much it is viewed as a call if he pushes his 1234 chips in the middle.
