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AI Poker Bot Pluribus Beats Top Pros in Multiplayer NLHE, Costs only $144 to Run

Tags: AI Pluribus, Noam Brown, poker bot, Tuomas Sandholm
Posted on 23 July 2019 by "T".
A brand new poker-playing bot was developed by the same group of researchers who presented Libratus back in 2017, and this time, it had successfully defeated a team of top poker players in a 6-handed NLHE game. Facebook worked with researchers from the Carnegie Mellon University spearheaded by CMU professor Tuomas Sandholm and his graduate student Noam Brown, who scheduled a showdown featuring th[...]   Read more » AI Poker Bot Pluribus Beats Top Pros in Multiplayer NLHE, Costs only $144 to Run

  23-Jul-19, 12:30   #1
AI Poker Bot Pluribus Beats Top Pros in Multiplayer NLHE, Costs only $144 to Run 0 
Mober 
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And his is how the story goes. One is trying to ban bots from their site,
party poker for example, and another is building a new bot.
In other words bots are here to stay, and by the time a site finds and blocks one
another one has come out running on its place....

     
  23-Jul-19, 13:41   #2
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pajalnick 

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as we see in this news, bots are now significantly superior to ordinary players ... And even the professionals couldn’t do anything with artificial intelligence .... Of course, if he plays people at chess, even in poker I think it’s quite easy for artificial intelligence. .. it is becoming more and more difficult to play .... you never know who the real person or computer is against you

     
  23-Jul-19, 19:22   #3
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dule-vu 

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yeah,this is something that force people to use this program when they play and this will be problem when they will use it every day!some site block and ban players who use program like this,some make this kind of things!but probably poker sites will watch this as problem and they will dealt with it!

     
  23-Jul-19, 23:09   #4
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erru9107 
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This is absolutely terrible! I hate the idea of using a bot but if this trend continues I'm not gonna have any other choice. The people who don't use bots will be the people who lose money.

Another point is that if all, or most, players use bots then they will be breakeven players, and the rake will then eat up their bankrolls, meaning poker rooms will guaranteed earn money for some time, but eventually poeple are gonna stop playing since there's no real chance to win any money.

     
  24-Jul-19, 03:37   #5
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Serpang 
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Posted by erru9107:
This is absolutely terrible! I hate the idea of using a bot but if this trend continues I'm not gonna have any other choice. The people who don't use bots will be the people who lose money.

Another point is that if all, or most, players use bots then they will be breakeven players, and the rake will then eat up their bankrolls, meaning poker rooms will guaranteed earn money for some time, but eventually poeple are gonna stop playing since there's no real chance to win any money.



But , how we know at our table there are bots? Smile I no worry since I play micro Big Smile Big Smile I think they will not use bot to play micro. PP just detect bot account or bots playing ? Could they detect when bots play ?

     
  24-Jul-19, 08:27   #6
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erru9107 
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Posted by Serpang:
But , how we know at our table there are bots? Smile I no worry since I play micro Big Smile Big Smile I think they will not use bot to play micro.

I think the fact that you say this makes using this bot at the micros more likely. If people at higher stakes use it, and they know others are using it as well, they need to find a level where people wouldn't suspect anything.
And that fact will reduces the higher amount of rake from higher buy-in since they would have less players there. Eventually that would happen even to low stakes and then people would stop playing online all together.

     
  24-Jul-19, 14:12   #7
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CALICUL 
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Such a program is good if it offers very good training. I understand this thing but if it can be used to fool the world, then it is bad. To use other people as a bot ( if it works ) to steal people's money it's not good. We will find out these details after we look more about this AI Poker Bot Pluribus.

     
  24-Jul-19, 14:30   #8
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pajalnick 

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if you go deeper into the essence of the question, then of course this is all very sad .... a situation may arise when online poker will be a competition between people who will lose and computers that will win .... of course the poker rooms will try to counteract, but in this war I like the computer seems to win .... the only way out is offline tournaments

     
  24-Jul-19, 14:37   #9
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Mober 
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In the old days the online poker was more "innocent".
After a period of time we saw changes like tracking software, which became legal in some
sites. Now they are fighting it. Then the bots came.
The more the technology progresses, the harder is to control the game,
and say for sure that the game is "pure".

     
  24-Jul-19, 15:31   #10
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shokaku 

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It was only a question of time. In chess computers have overtaken the best human players a long time ago, in go just recently. So one should not be surprised that it would happen in poker to. Tough job for the poker sites to deal with it.

     
  25-Jul-19, 14:24   #11
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CALICUL 
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Those who will win from these matches will be professional players who will analyze in resume how this artificial intelligence played against them. I think it will be something special for them to accomplish certain things and their play to be better in the future.

     
  25-Jul-19, 14:52   #12
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Mober 
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Going for small money it is possible to stay undetected. Plating in micro buy ins for example,
with a target amount each day.
There are players that are doing this already for years..
When the story goes to higher numbers and earnings, then it draws the attention
of the poker site's staff.
Another thing requesting a cash out of 100 USD and another 10k usd.

     
  27-Jul-19, 14:33   #13
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CALICUL 
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Your opinion is correct and a big mistake Justin Bonomo did, when he was caught with multiple accounts. He did not know how to make a calculation and he lost money and the chance to play in some poker rooms. The idea of making money with bots, it's not good for us who play correctly. Even if some players are happy with little money, they do not have to steal with boots anymore. I hope they can be traced and punished. This program for me is also a bot, if it can be used to steal money from honest players.

     
  6-Aug-19, 21:35   #14
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gufra20 
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La Inteligencia Artificial (AI) ya nos esta invadiendo desde hace mucho.

En esta noticia se podria decir que las cartas estaban a favor del bot y muchas cosas mas, pero lo cierto es que desde hace mucho las inteligencia artificial (AI) ya nos esta reemplazando.

Pero tengo una duda
Que pasa si alguien utiliza esta super computadora le instala un simulador y solo coloca las cartas para ver la reapuesta del bot y asi jugar en linea.

Esto seria muy malo para el poker en linea o no que crees tu?

Nos vemos en las mesas

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Artificial Intelligence (AI) is already invading us for a long time. In this news one could say that the letters were in favor of the bot and many other things, but the truth is that artificial intelligence (AI) has already been replacing us for a long time. But I have a question What if someone uses this super computer installs a simulator and just places the cards to see the bot's replay and play online. This would be very bad for online poker or not what do you think? See you at the tables...

     
  7-Aug-19, 12:32   #15
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CALICUL 
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This is not good because the only players who will make good money will be professionals players and those who use artificial intelligence as a bot. The others will lose or gain only small sums. It is nice if there is a program that will detect all the bots, but maybe in the future will be one that has 100% accuracy. We will see.

     
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