Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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PKR had a big update during the weekend. They have now Omaha Hi/Low ect ect But 1 of the updates players got really mad, and i understand why.
This is the new feature: Every player has its own players-page. Its shows ur notable tournements aswell as some other stuff like friends ect. The notable tournements wasnt the problem (mtts were you cashed in) But now the changed it in notable tourneys incl the cash they won. So example: 10-12-2008 PKR Masters, buyin $$250, Rank 4/549, Cashout $5,675 Many players (most semi pros) got really really mad. This info shud be private right, why make it really easy for Mr-taxman to search to all ur players info
PKR did apologize for it and gonna change it, but it problably take up a week.
Joined: May '08
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Posted by Baxter99: The same feature is on Sharkscope, I don't have a problem with it as a voluntary thing but it shouldn't be done without consent imho.
(PS to mods-I hit report post accidentally instead of reply-Sorry! )
Yes but on sharkscope you habe the option to unable ur results, this was a new feature without any options...
Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
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i agree doomdy. it should be optional if this information is shown on the playerpage (like the all time money list). pages like sharkscope do not offer you to hide your infos without reason.
this said, i wouldnt call it rude. when i know you played in a major tournament, it is public information what place you finished and how much money you won. pages like officialpokerrankings do exactly that. they gather that information (not for PKR tho) and also show it as a list (right in the way you described)
also: if people live in countrys, where pokerearnings count as income, i believe it is fair to tax them. it is not PKRs fault or duty to decide who has to be taxed and how much. it is also not PKRs duty to support people, that find this law unfair and try to dodge taxes.
on a sidenote: isnt it strange how poker counts as income when it comes to taxes and counts as gamble on other occasions? laws...
bottomline i think PKR did not expect this negative feedback and will of course do what the "big" players on their site demand.
Joined: Mar '08
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Never been a fan of any of the info sharing crap, id like the on-line games to be like the live games, it should be track yourself only. But dont forget shakscope did not always offer the opt out option, and lots of ppl dont know the site exsists, surley it should be a opt in. And even then you can get the info. Now I have to pay for software to keep up with the rest of the online players. good job it works well.
Joined: Mar '09
Location: Ireland
Age: 48 (M)
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I don't like the info freely available either. You get idiots at tables mouthing off at you over your sharkscope stats ... how pathetic. Luckily they have the option to have your details blocked, but should a site like that be allowed in the first place? I say no, many would disagree perhaps?
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It's not bad once you get used to it and get past the silly player moves, but you can switch them off so they won't annoy you.
One thing I love, that's unique to PKR, is the fact you have to actually look at your cards each time, just like a Live game. they're not permanently displayed for you after being dealt out. When you look at your cards everyone at the table can see you doing so, it can become a great 'tell' when you see other players looking at their cards every street. You just know they're unsure when they do it.
Of course, you can use that to your advantage too when you have a monster. Slow playing and constantly looking at your cards puts your opponents off the scent
Grab the free tokens from here, you get one $5.50 and 2 x $10+$1 tokens that can be used for mtt or sngs, sweet. I failed with mine, as I spent too much time messing with my avatar and playing with the options. But I have cashed in a few mtts since. Also you can deposit as little as you like, but there is a $1 deposit fee on amounts below $25.
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Posted by xxxbchxxx: Out of interest what countrys do have to pay tax on poker earnings??
Sweden too. But only if you play on sites outside of the EU. Although I have never heard of anyone paying tax. Maybe someone who wins a big televised tournament. for, how are they gonna know at what site you play, if you just cash out through NETteller, or something like it.
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Posted by dunotra:
Posted by doomdy: I know holland
I did not know that: what are we suposed to do declare all your winings to the goverment.... and dos that mean all your loses are tax-deductible ?
Not that it would efect me for the little I win at poker But it would when I pre-race trading on betfar.
I am not really sure but its sometin like this:
On every profit (single pot at CASH/ or payout from SNG/MTT) which is more as Euro 235 (not sure maybe 245) its 19% tax. So basicly if your a low limit cash player or low limit SNG player you never have to pay tax. But if your a middle/high limit CASH player or a MTT player then yes many payout will be higher then E235....
Edit: And buyinns are NOT deducted so really fucked up
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by dunotra:
Posted by doomdy: I know holland
I did not know that: what are we suposed to do declare all your winings to the goverment.... and dos that mean all your loses are tax-deductible ?
Not that it would efect me for the little I win at poker But it would when I pre-race trading on betfar.
I am not really sure but its sometin like this:
On every profit (single pot at CASH/ or payout from SNG/MTT) which is more as Euro 235 (not sure maybe 245) its 19% tax. So basicly if your a low limit cash player or low limit SNG player you never have to pay tax. But if your a middle/high limit CASH player or a MTT player then yes many payout will be higher then E235....
Edit: And buyinns are NOT deducted so really fucked up
Oh I see so it is VAT or BTW as it is called here that you have to pay.
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Portugal
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 10
Well I think I don't share the same problems as you all, first my profits are generally are very low, in all I made about 120€ more or less, I think, also over here in Portugal there isn’t much regulation about cash games, the system is old and never renewed.
Some times I think this country is a third world 1, despite the fact it's part of the EU.
But regarding the taxes, the fact is that when these type of games take place we Portuguese people usually prefer small local games, on a friend’s home or local café for instance, never in a official place, therefore never monitored by the government.
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by dunotra:
Posted by doomdy: I know holland
I did not know that: what are we suposed to do declare all your winings to the goverment.... and dos that mean all your loses are tax-deductible ?
Not that it would efect me for the little I win at poker But it would when I pre-race trading on betfar.
I am not really sure but its sometin like this:
On every profit (single pot at CASH/ or payout from SNG/MTT) which is more as Euro 235 (not sure maybe 245) its 19% tax. So basicly if your a low limit cash player or low limit SNG player you never have to pay tax. But if your a middle/high limit CASH player or a MTT player then yes many payout will be higher then E235....
Edit: And buyinns are NOT deducted so really fucked up
The tax on pokerwinnings are 24% (kanspelbelasting) in the Netherlands. and you have to declare you're winnings every month (Profit minus buyins), when you lose one month its not deductible for the next month.
For more info about this topic, look on some dutch pokersites.
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