Joined: Feb '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 40 (M)
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Full Tilt Poker Game #11736758821: $2 + $0.25 Tournament (87914589), Table 28 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:27:30 ET - 2009/04/17 Seat 1: Vieri032 (6,880) Seat 2: warung (6,880) Seat 3: Mark_Target (7,410) Seat 4: terwaltiko (10,020) Seat 5: PABLO778 (8,062) Seat 6: yo2210 (4,460) Seat 7: magrebijn (14,879) Seat 8: Ruthless Bust (2,340) Seat 9: bigthunder52 (1,349) Vieri032 posts the small blind of 80 warung posts the big blind of 160 The button is in seat #9 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to magrebijn [Ah As] Mark_Target folds terwaltiko folds PABLO778 calls 160 yo2210 has 15 seconds left to act yo2210 is sitting out yo2210 has timed out yo2210 folds magrebijn has 15 seconds left to act magrebijn raises to 555 Ruthless Bust folds bigthunder52 folds Vieri032 calls 475 warung folds PABLO778 calls 395 *** FLOP *** [7c 9s Jd] Vieri032 has 15 seconds left to act Vieri032 checks PABLO778 checks magrebijn bets 1,225 Vieri032 has 15 seconds left to act Vieri032 folds PABLO778 calls 1,225 *** TURN *** [7c 9s Jd] yo2210 has returned PABLO778 checks magrebijn checks *** RIVER *** [7c 9s Jd 6s] PABLO778 bets 4,275 magrebijn has 15 seconds left to act magrebijn has requested TIME magrebijn calls 4,275 *** SHOW DOWN *** PABLO778 shows [8d 8c] a straight, Nine high magrebijn mucks PABLO778 wins the pot (12,825) with a straight, Nine high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 12,825 | Rake 0 Board: [7c 9s Jd 6s 5d] Seat 1: Vieri032 (small blind) folded on the Flop Seat 2: warung (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 3: Mark_Target didn't bet (folded) Seat 4: terwaltiko didn't bet (folded) Seat 5: PABLO778 showed [8d 8c] and won (12,825) with a straight, Nine high Seat 6: yo2210 didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: magrebijn mucked [Ah As] - a pair of Aces Seat 8: Ruthless Bust didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: bigthunder52 (button) didn't bet (folded)
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Full Tilt Poker Game #11736798454: $2 + $0.25 Tournament (87914589), Table 28 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:30:08 ET - 2009/04/17 Seat 1: Vieri032 (6,325) Seat 2: warung (6,720) Seat 3: Mark_Target (7,410) Seat 4: terwaltiko (10,020) Seat 5: PABLO778 (14,832) Seat 6: yo2210 (4,460) Seat 7: magrebijn (8,824) Seat 8: Ruthless Bust (2,340) Seat 9: bigthunder52 (1,349) warung posts the small blind of 80 Mark_Target posts the big blind of 160 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to magrebijn [Qs Qc] terwaltiko calls 160 PABLO778 folds yo2210 has 15 seconds left to act yo2210 folds magrebijn raises to 555 Ruthless Bust folds bigthunder52 folds Vieri032 folds warung folds Mark_Target folds terwaltiko calls 395 *** FLOP *** [4s 3s 8h] terwaltiko checks magrebijn has 15 seconds left to act magrebijn bets 950 terwaltiko has 15 seconds left to act terwaltiko calls 950 *** TURN *** [4s 3s 8h] terwaltiko checks magrebijn checks *** RIVER *** [4s 3s 8h Ac] terwaltiko bets 1,120 magrebijn has 15 seconds left to act magrebijn calls 1,120 *** SHOW DOWN *** terwaltiko shows [2c 8c] two pair, Eights and Twos magrebijn mucks terwaltiko wins the pot (5,490) with two pair, Eights and Twos *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 5,490 | Rake 0 Board: [4s 3s 8h Ac 2d] Seat 1: Vieri032 (button) didn't bet (folded) Seat 2: warung (small blind) folded before the Flop Seat 3: Mark_Target (big blind) folded before the Flop Seat 4: terwaltiko showed [2c 8c] and won (5,490) with two pair, Eights and Twos Seat 5: PABLO778 didn't bet (folded) Seat 6: yo2210 didn't bet (folded) Seat 7: magrebijn mucked [Qs Qc] - a pair of Queens Seat 8: Ruthless Bust didn't bet (folded) Seat 9: bigthunder52 didn't bet (folded)
Joined: Apr '08
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Either that or easily fold the river, I see the same problem in a lot of players game, have a huge range of hands with which you call large bets and a very small raising range. The same goes for the seccond hand, while there is the posibility that he has the ace you have position on him and if you dont feel you can bet the turn you shouldn't call the river, since I actually think his river bet seems more like he'd have an ace.
Joined: Feb '08
Location: Belgium
Age: 40 (M)
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so i had to bet the turn on the first hand. i see the mistake now. but what if i bet the second hand and he moves all in ill have to fold but he could be playing the scarecard not knowing what he had i choosed pot control and give him the chance to bluff me on the river did you see the guys hand if the river was a 3-4-6-7-9 he would off stabbed at the pot i think maybe im wrong i dont know but i appreciate the advice
Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
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Well its been said, bet the turn, not sure why you gave a free card, was a chck going to improve your hand, not only did you allow the "bad beat" but even if he didnt hit st8 he would have had good reason to bluff you there and you would have to fold. Also dont like your call on the river, ok you left him room to make a move but why would he unless he has it? 2nd hand. Again you gave it away, dont know why you didnt bet the turn, looks like the know you bet flop but not turn so altho i think his call is bad he knows he will get a free card (2 for 1 if you like) and agin you call the river? You are the reason you lost them hands, but i think you will learn, GL.
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