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  25-Jul-09, 10:23   #1
Ok, grrrr or not? 0 
doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
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Lately i play more MTTs cos i like them and i make a lot more money on them then SNG.
I play extremely tight in beginning and if i got a monster i play it really hard.
When blinds are high i open up a littl and i play mostly ''push or fold'' mode cos i play for 1st and NOT to reach the money.
But after this hand i was thinking hmmmmm....... Angry
Maybe it was better to reraise my opponent too 6,000 so he can laydown my bet/allin on flop?
On the other hand this works for me cos i ve very nice ROI on MTT and IF the guy had hands like AQ/AJ/KQ/TT/ ect he cud laydown preflop and i collect same nice blinds and chips.
After all AK versus JJ is just a flip right....

Btw i dont post this cos of the sucky runner runner flush, just giv ur opinions on my preflop reraise allin Smile

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#899109821

Table #18551999 - Tournament #11402755 Table #16
Starting Hand #899111300
Start time of hand: 24 Jul 2009 22:27:39
Last Hand #899109821
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $300/$600
Button is at seat 8
Seat 1: Mark250988 - $19,866
Seat 2: JJack10 - $43,025
Seat 3: SirSidney - $70,664
Seat 4: MrCapone187 - $5,050
Seat 5: domdy - $13,500
Seat 6: blackluck26 - $11,550
Seat 7: AceandKing - $15,663
Seat 8: AMNESIAPOKER - $17,100
Seat 9: JesseJ28 - $18,867
Seat 10: MsHarlequin - $9,725
Moving Button to seat 9
Mark250988 posts ante of $50
JJack10 posts ante of $50
SirSidney posts ante of $50
MrCapone187 posts ante of $50
domdy posts ante of $50
blackluck26 posts ante of $50
AceandKing posts ante of $50
AMNESIAPOKER posts ante of $50
JesseJ28 posts ante of $50
MsHarlequin posts ante of $50
MsHarlequin posts small blind ($300)
Mark250988 posts big blind ($600)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing Jack of clubs Jack of diamonds to domdy
JJack10 raises to $2,400
SirSidney folds
MrCapone187 folds
domdy raises to $13,450 (all-in)
blackluck26 folds
AceandKing folds
AMNESIAPOKER folds
JesseJ28 folds
MsHarlequin folds
Mark250988 folds
blackluck26 says good luck.
blackluck26 says good luck to JJack10.
JJack10 calls $13,450
JJack10 shows Ace of diamonds King of spades
domdy shows Jack of clubs Jack of diamonds
Dealing Flop 7 of clubs 2 of spades Jack of spades
Dealing Turn 8 of spades
Dealing River 5 of spades
domdy has Three of a Kind: Jacks
JJack10 has Flush, King high
JJack10 wins $28,300 with: Flush, King high
Seat 1: Mark250988 - $19,216
Seat 2: JJack10 - $57,825
Seat 3: SirSidney - $70,614
Seat 4: MrCapone187 - $5,000
Seat 5: domdy - $0
Seat 6: blackluck26 - $11,500
Seat 7: AceandKing - $15,613
Seat 8: AMNESIAPOKER - $17,050
Seat 9: JesseJ28 - $18,817
Seat 10: MsHarlequin - $9,375
JJack10 apologises.
End Of Hand #899111300

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(I created a poll Smile)

Edited by doomdy (25 July 2009 @ 10:41 GMT)


     
  25-Jul-09, 10:50   #2
  0 
shokaku 

Joined: May '08
Location: Germany
Age: 55 (M)
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With just ~20BB this is a no brainer all-in. A "normal" reraise would be half your stack. And with a bunch of people behind you, you can't just call. Chip it in.

     
  25-Jul-09, 10:51   #3
  0 
ih8usukouts 

Joined: Jul '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 45 (M)
Posts: 1000
I agree with your approach and view of playing the hand, if the sucky flush didn't hit he wouldn't of won the hand. He just got lucky on the board. Stick with what was working for you and making you the most money, besides isn't that what has been working for you? I don't know what type of player your opponent was but he had a hand too, he wasn't playing for the flush draw. You had him but that's poker. Good luck!
Again, I wouldn't let that change your view on future playing.

     
  25-Jul-09, 10:55   #4
  0 
Davoodoo 

Joined: Apr '08
Location: Finland
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 1612
A 4x raise from JJack really shouts strength thinking about that the massive chipleader is acting after him and he is in early position ... i personally think that the best you can hope for is a coinflip wich you got unlucky in and lost. Sad
What will he call your all in with that he might have raised preflop with ? I find it pretty hard to call with a worse hand than AK in that position.

What was average stack at that time and how far for ITM ?
Perhaps you should only have called and seen if there was a scary flop ?

You say you only have first place in mind ? I think that is wrong if it is a regular cash tournament.
I think you should ALWAYS have the goal to get itm first and work your way up from there ... having only first place in mind means you WILL grab every chance for a coinflip they throw at you.

     
  25-Jul-09, 11:53   #5
  0 
Dellbo99 
Joined: Feb '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 50 (M)
Posts: 342
A 4x raise from early position from a stack that has you crushed.

In this position I prefer to just call and then play the hand post flop.

with 20BB you can call this pre, fold post flop and still have a workable stack - I prefer not to flip for stacks if I can avoid it.

If he does have AK/AQ the value of these hands is best when seeing all 5 cards so why let him? A smooth call followed by a big bet on a safe flop will mean he only gets to see 3 cards and you're a big favorite then.

If I was out of position then I would favour the shove but with position I much prefer the smooth call.

     
  25-Jul-09, 12:51   #6
  0 
B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6714
Normall raise.
nothing special about JJ.

     
  25-Jul-09, 13:18   #7
  0 
doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 49 (M)
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Well i used to play for gettin ITM.
Not anymore.....
So now my ROI has gone big up, i play for the big prices and NOT for the crap bubble prices.

Remember 1 first second or third price is more the 20 bubble prices.

     
  25-Jul-09, 13:37   #8
  0 
labben 

Joined: Jan '09
Location: Sweden
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 58
play like you always do.. Cool

     
  25-Jul-09, 13:43   #9
  0 
Gottfriedx 
Joined: May '09
Location: Netherlands
Age: 30 (M)
Posts: 360
I would have just called, would still leave you in a nice position if it doesn't work out.
But heck, I say that now...

     
  25-Jul-09, 14:16   #10
  0 
B1gfoot 

Joined: Mar '08
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6714
Posted by doomdy:
Well i used to play for gettin ITM.
Not anymore.....
So now my ROI has gone big up, i play for the big prices and NOT for the crap bubble prices.

Remember 1 first second or third price is more the 20 bubble prices.

Best way to play go for gold, if no luck settle for ITM, dont think flipping is the best way to get you poll position tho.

     
  25-Jul-09, 19:31   #11
  0 
ChoonT 

Joined: Dec '08
Location: Germany
Age: 41 (M)
Posts: 522
raa this story happend to me the last 3 or 4 mtt... reraise all in or call all in with KK or AA and what happend?`this sick cards give the other the flush on the river.thats why i now prefer double suited to go all in as i will get ths donkluck too Blink
( naa AK .. i hate ths cards, trapped me too much Blink )

     
  26-Jul-09, 00:22   #12
  0 
oktodiar 
Joined: May '09
Location: Indonesia
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 78
I just almost fold with JJ if my opponent goes all in, so many bad times with JJ.. Big Smile Big Smile but if the situation like this rise all in not a good idea since the second big stack raise first i think fold is better ,if call it seem you will go all in too cause there's a J on the flop but JJack10 can be fold since the flop is no good for him.. Big Smile Big Smile

     
  26-Jul-09, 01:18   #13
  0 
Jodoli 
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 469
I would re-raise all in too! But in this hand you could re-raise to 6500 or 7000. But probably the result would be the same. You would be all in no matter what so i agree with your choice! aND YOU WON THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT!

     
  26-Jul-09, 12:44   #14
  0 
aspas2 
Joined: Jul '09
Location: Australia
Age: 29 (M)
Posts: 42
very lucky but with a short stack i would have gona all in aswell

     
  27-Jul-09, 00:29   #15
  0 
duKKKAA 
Joined: Jul '09
Location: Brazil
Age: 57 (M)
Posts: 20
finals stages pocket pairs TT+, all in pf Smile

     
  27-Jul-09, 23:53   #16
  0 
Fakiry 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 4816
If you play to be first in a tourney, you should have in mind that our stack is like the money that we have in our acount at the bank: even if our best friend comes saying there is a very good business at the stockmarket, we will not risk all our money on it, we always leave some behind; thats what you should think in poker: Never put the game in risk. On well played tight poker you would only go all in when you were nuts, wich is rare to happen.
You have done what many would do, but i would just reraise, or call and try slow play to see oponents reaction. This way you would check/call till the end and understand thatperhaps he had flush at the river and perhaps you should fold your jacks. Just think about it: it would be worst if you had KK or AA...

     
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