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Lately it feels like a new trend on PKR limp AA/KK/AK/QQ in middle and late position. I fokin hate it and get screwed couple off times. How u handle this play? Its fokin irritating me
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i limp ak 70% of the time as i got beaten too often by crapcallers the AA limp isnt very unusual in lower limits, see this play every day from early position ( and i do it too if i see there a some maniacs shoving the stack often if there are some limpers ) they hope for raiser and then bang i think they want to trap you with QQ if no A appears or are some russian maniacs at pkr now, this play would make sense then
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Simple Unless i misunderstand Ur Q. I laid down alot of hands due to that. For example :
A. I limp with AA, and U raise in LPos. I reraise U => warning muck the Ax or low pair most of the times
B. I limp wityh AA and U raise in Lpos : I flat call and shove postflop or stacks off to get committed :Ur mostly beat, unless he is a LAG spaz and tries to take the pot.
C. Limping in middle of Late pos : I do myself due to those reasons
if I know there are loads of LAGs behind me, 80% sure they raise every pot preflop.
A limp - call indicates most of the time : small pocket pair, or suits/ or just people like to play evey flop / hand.
Its a tricky one. It depends what cards u are going in with but basically i presume it means your gonna be playing a weaker hand out of position post flop. I think you could see it as an advantage. If u think its happening open ur range slightly, they are gonna miss alot of the time therefore inviting you in cheap. You hit and they dont wanna let go, you must know yourself how hard it is to lay AA KK QQ down ANYTIME. You could flop 2 pair, a decent combo or flush/str8 draw, low trips etc alot to beat them b4 or after turn or river. I would look at it the other way, i like to play them hands reasonably aggressive most positions most of the time. There is nothing worse than letting people in cheap only for them to hit the flop or out draw you when you could have tidied it up much earlier. But we all gotta mix it up from time to time eh. This is prob nothin u dont already know, i hope things work out. I have never played on that site i might give it a look. all the best.
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Problem is (well not a problem imo) i cant flat-call my big hands preflop, its reraise for me. So many players nowadays limp their big hands even if table is ultra tight and late So limp-raise-rerasie/call.... Thats pretty committed with middle stage blinds and being average stack
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Well its a tough one. normally I normally can give U an answer for everything in no time.
But it very differs all from the situtation / status and progress in the tournament imho. I have written an article about something similar I ll try to find it back for U.
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Hey. look i can see its a tough spot i have been trapped many times, but normally you can get out of it,
1. wiegh up your opponent, what type of hand have they been playing what style of play is there something odd to the way they are playin a hand,
when i get a big hand i dont care what the table does im really looking who i exploite, AA KK QQ im shoving no matter what happens action wise, if i get outdrawn so what i knw my chips went in good. i can moan and bitch about it later (as i often do)
Limping is very bad
heres one i made earlier..
I got into the 17K DAILY today with a well fought out and excellent game in the $2 rebuy i promise myself i am gonna play uber tight and then loosen up after first break,
Table #19103233 - Tournament #11715492 Table #8 Starting Hand #923688132 Start time of hand: 12 Aug 2009 19:38:37 Last Hand #923687015 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: TOURNAMENT Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS Blinds are now $20/$40 Button is at seat 8 Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $3,010 Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890 Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250 Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175 Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,580 Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620 Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820 Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $2,970 Seat 9: miggel74 - $1,755 Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,930 Moving Button to seat 9 BeerBellyBob posts small blind ($20) PADDINGTENPAIR posts big blind ($40) Shuffling Deck Dealing Cards Dealing [As Ac] to gaztheyorkie merchucius folds enzino06 folds callmebabe folds scarface70 raises to $120 piskyn folds lorie006 folds gaztheyorkie raises to $360 miggel74 calls $360 BeerBellyBob folds PADDINGTENPAIR folds scarface70 folds Dealing Flop [2c 8s 4h] gaztheyorkie checks miggel74 checks Dealing Turn gaztheyorkie checks miggel74 checks Dealing River gaztheyorkie bets $160 miggel74 raises to $1,395 (all-in) gaztheyorkie has requested more time gaztheyorkie is using the time bank gaztheyorkie has 109 seconds remaining in the time bank gaztheyorkie calls $1,395 gaztheyorkie shows [As Ac] miggel74 shows [Th Qh] miggel74 has Flush, Queen high miggel74 wins $3,690 with: Flush, Queen high Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $2,970 Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890 Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250 Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175 Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,460 Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620 Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820 Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $1,215 Seat 9: miggel74 - $3,690 Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,910 miggel74 can't believe it. End Of Hand #923688132
see I know i screwed up big time, nobody needs to tell me what i did wrong I KNOW
But i tried to trap here, BIG MISTAKE!
IF U HAVE THE HAND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOVE IT ALL IN thats the messgae im trying to get across.
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timne for a break doomdy.hate days like that.go playin phat pong for a little while and you feel a whole lot better.or just go hard or go home.the good days will return again.blaze away.
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Posted by doomdy: Lately it feels like a new trend on PKR limp AA/KK/AK/QQ in middle and late position. I fokin hate it and get screwed couple off times. How u handle this play? Its fokin irritating me
You just gotta suck it up, if it helps scream at the screen, point and shake your fist. get a stress ball, beat up the wife(ok dont do that one), get a dog so you can beat that up(best put JOKE some ppl are to serious) kick a cat, think that ones ok lol. I tend to just go "what a d**k" oh well re-load or next.
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Posted by gaztheyorkie: Hey. look i can see its a tough spot i have been trapped many times, but normally you can get out of it,
1. wiegh up your opponent, what type of hand have they been playing what style of play is there something odd to the way they are playin a hand,
when i get a big hand i dont care what the table does im really looking who i exploite, AA KK QQ im shoving no matter what happens action wise, if i get outdrawn so what i knw my chips went in good. i can moan and bitch about it later (as i often do)
Limping is very bad
heres one i made earlier..
I got into the 17K DAILY today with a well fought out and excellent game in the $2 rebuy i promise myself i am gonna play uber tight and then loosen up after first break,
Table #19103233 - Tournament #11715492 Table #8 Starting Hand #923688132 Start time of hand: 12 Aug 2009 19:38:37 Last Hand #923687015 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: TOURNAMENT Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS Blinds are now $20/$40 Button is at seat 8 Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $3,010 Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890 Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250 Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175 Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,580 Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620 Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820 Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $2,970 Seat 9: miggel74 - $1,755 Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,930 Moving Button to seat 9 BeerBellyBob posts small blind ($20) PADDINGTENPAIR posts big blind ($40) Shuffling Deck Dealing Cards Dealing [As Ac] to gaztheyorkie merchucius folds enzino06 folds callmebabe folds scarface70 raises to $120 piskyn folds lorie006 folds gaztheyorkie raises to $360 miggel74 calls $360 BeerBellyBob folds PADDINGTENPAIR folds scarface70 folds Dealing Flop [2c 8s 4h] gaztheyorkie checks miggel74 checks Dealing Turn gaztheyorkie checks miggel74 checks Dealing River gaztheyorkie bets $160 miggel74 raises to $1,395 (all-in) gaztheyorkie has requested more time gaztheyorkie is using the time bank gaztheyorkie has 109 seconds remaining in the time bank gaztheyorkie calls $1,395 gaztheyorkie shows [As Ac] miggel74 shows [Th Qh] miggel74 has Flush, Queen high miggel74 wins $3,690 with: Flush, Queen high Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $2,970 Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890 Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250 Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175 Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,460 Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620 Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820 Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $1,215 Seat 9: miggel74 - $3,690 Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,910 miggel74 can't believe it. End Of Hand #923688132
see I know i screwed up big time, nobody needs to tell me what i did wrong I KNOW
But i tried to trap here, BIG MISTAKE!
IF U HAVE THE HAND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOVE IT ALL IN thats the messgae im trying to get across.
A tip, it's a bad idea to trap with only one pair post flop, he has so many outs, there is so many draws there on the turn, even on the flop I don't think its that good an idea to trap an over pair.
Besides why call the river bet? You have to know he has you there, the only hand you can beat is a bluff, and if he were to bluff he would have done it on the turn or not at all imo, he has to have at least an 8 there.
if you hit the flop bigtime. Then aggro shove / raise against those Spaszes.
