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Lately it feels like a new trend on PKR limp AA/KK/AK/QQ in middle and late position.
I fokin hate it and get screwed couple off times.
How u handle this play?
Its fokin irritating me Aww crap!

     
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i limp ak 70% of the time as i got beaten too often by crapcallers Blink
the AA limp isnt very unusual in lower limits, see this play every day from early position ( and i do it too if i see there a some maniacs shoving the stack often if there are some limpers Blink )
they hope for raiser and then bang
i think they want to trap you with QQ if no A appears Blink
or are some russian maniacs at pkr now, this play would make sense then Blink

     
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Simple
Unless i misunderstand Ur Q.
I laid down alot of hands due to that.
For example :

A. I limp with AA, and U raise in LPos. I reraise U => warning muck the Ax or low pair most of the times

B. I limp wityh AA and U raise in Lpos : I flat call and shove postflop or stacks off to get committed :Ur mostly beat, unless he is a LAG spaz and tries to take the pot.

C. Limping in middle of Late pos : I do myself due to those reasons

if I know there are loads of LAGs behind me, 80% sure they raise every pot preflop.

A limp - call indicates most of the time : small pocket pair, or suits/ or just people like to play evey flop / hand.

Dunno what U exactly want to seek as an answer.

     
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Well many times lately i got screwed with hands like JJ/TT/QQ/AQ.
They limp, i raise, they reraise, i am comitted or lay down my hand.
Showdown: AA/KK Aww crap!

Its a trend on PKR now limping big hand even in late.

     
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Try to approach it small ball then.

limp - raise - reraise => U flatcall.
W8 for the flop, it can save ur ass if A comes on board.

     
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Its a tricky one. It depends what cards u are going in with but basically i presume it means your gonna be playing a weaker hand out of position post flop. I think you could see it as an advantage. If u think its happening open ur range slightly, they are gonna miss alot of the time therefore inviting you in cheap. You hit and they dont wanna let go, you must know yourself how hard it is to lay AA KK QQ down ANYTIME. You could flop 2 pair, a decent combo or flush/str8 draw, low trips etc alot to beat them b4 or after turn or river.
I would look at it the other way, i like to play them hands reasonably aggressive most positions most of the time. There is nothing worse than letting people in cheap only for them to hit the flop or out draw you when you could have tidied it up much earlier.
But we all gotta mix it up from time to time eh.
This is prob nothin u dont already know, i hope things work out. I have never played on that site i might give it a look.
all the best. Thumbs Up

     
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Call more with SC and small pairs and trap them if you hit big.

Play is good to trap 88-JJ or AK-AQ, but if more people join the pot it is dangerous.

     
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Yea multiway pots suck bigtime

Isolate at least , or force at least a HU POSTFLOP Tongue if you hit the flop bigtime. Then aggro shove / raise against those Spaszes.

     
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Posted by Flangel:
Isolate at least , or force at least a HU POSTFLOP Tongue if you hit the flop bigtime. Then aggro shove / raise against those Spaszes.


Yeh ok, but wot if u dont hit? If blinds are at middle stage and u make a c-bet ur (if average stack) close too comitted Confused

     
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Don't C bet if ur close to committed

Then its better to give it up then barreling a maniac. Unless U are pretty sure.

i made those mistakes in the passed alot by Cbetting with just an average stack and barreling 3 times.
Made me go busto eventually

and as I mentioned somehere else : when I shoot and I have Air = 3 barrels for no SDown. I rarely give up

It depend stacksizes anyway ( big factor, was even dumb of me not to mention)


     
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Problem is (well not a problem imo) i cant flat-call my big hands preflop, its reraise for me.
So many players nowadays limp their big hands even if table is ultra tight and late Confused
So limp-raise-rerasie/call.... Thats pretty committed with middle stage blinds and being average stack Tongue

     
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Well
its a tough one. normally I normally can give U an answer for everything in no time.

But it very differs all from the situtation / status and progress in the tournament imho.
I have written an article about something similar
I ll try to find it back for U.

     
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Hey. look i can see its a tough spot i have been trapped many times, but normally you can get out of it,

1. wiegh up your opponent, what type of hand have they been playing what style of play is there something odd to the way they are playin a hand,

when i get a big hand i dont care what the table does im really looking who i exploite, AA KK QQ im shoving no matter what happens action wise, if i get outdrawn so what i knw my chips went in good. i can moan and bitch about it later (as i often do)

Limping is very bad

heres one i made earlier..

I got into the 17K DAILY today with a well fought out and excellent game in the $2 rebuy i promise myself i am gonna play uber tight and then loosen up after first break,

Table #19103233 - Tournament #11715492 Table #8
Starting Hand #923688132
Start time of hand: 12 Aug 2009 19:38:37
Last Hand #923687015
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $20/$40
Button is at seat 8
Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $3,010
Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890
Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250
Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175
Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,580
Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620
Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820
Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $2,970
Seat 9: miggel74 - $1,755
Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,930
Moving Button to seat 9
BeerBellyBob posts small blind ($20)
PADDINGTENPAIR posts big blind ($40)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [As Ac] to gaztheyorkie
merchucius folds
enzino06 folds
callmebabe folds
scarface70 raises to $120
piskyn folds
lorie006 folds
gaztheyorkie raises to $360
miggel74 calls $360
BeerBellyBob folds
PADDINGTENPAIR folds
scarface70 folds
Dealing Flop [2c 8s 4h]
gaztheyorkie checks
miggel74 checks
Dealing Turn Jack of hearts
gaztheyorkie checks
miggel74 checks
Dealing River 8 of hearts
gaztheyorkie bets $160
miggel74 raises to $1,395 (all-in)
gaztheyorkie has requested more time
gaztheyorkie is using the time bank
gaztheyorkie has 109 seconds remaining in the time bank
gaztheyorkie calls $1,395
gaztheyorkie shows [As Ac]
miggel74 shows [Th Qh]
miggel74 has Flush, Queen high
miggel74 wins $3,690 with: Flush, Queen high
Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $2,970
Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890
Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250
Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175
Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,460
Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620
Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820
Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $1,215
Seat 9: miggel74 - $3,690
Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,910
miggel74 can't believe it.
End Of Hand #923688132

see I know i screwed up big time, nobody needs to tell me what i did wrong I KNOW

But i tried to trap here, BIG MISTAKE!

IF U HAVE THE HAND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOVE IT ALL IN thats the messgae im trying to get across.

     
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I am never scared to shove, any time any place anywhere Worship

     
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Go work now fs Tongue

But idd
Aggro play shud pay off unless Ur against an uber / locked hand

     
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timne for a break doomdy.hate days like that.go playin phat pong for a little while and you feel a whole lot better.or just go hard or go home.the good days will return again.blaze away. Smile

     
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blah blah aa limp is better for you.

     
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Posted by doomdy:
Lately it feels like a new trend on PKR limp AA/KK/AK/QQ in middle and late position.
I fokin hate it and get screwed couple off times.
How u handle this play?
Its fokin irritating me Aww crap!

You just gotta suck it up, if it helps scream at the screen, point and shake your fist.
get a stress ball, beat up the wife(ok dont do that one), get a dog so you can beat that up(best put JOKE some ppl are to serious) kick a cat, think that ones ok lol.
I tend to just go "what a d**k" oh well re-load or next.

     
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Posted by gaztheyorkie:
Hey. look i can see its a tough spot i have been trapped many times, but normally you can get out of it,

1. wiegh up your opponent, what type of hand have they been playing what style of play is there something odd to the way they are playin a hand,

when i get a big hand i dont care what the table does im really looking who i exploite, AA KK QQ im shoving no matter what happens action wise, if i get outdrawn so what i knw my chips went in good. i can moan and bitch about it later (as i often do)

Limping is very bad

heres one i made earlier..

I got into the 17K DAILY today with a well fought out and excellent game in the $2 rebuy i promise myself i am gonna play uber tight and then loosen up after first break,

Table #19103233 - Tournament #11715492 Table #8
Starting Hand #923688132
Start time of hand: 12 Aug 2009 19:38:37
Last Hand #923687015
Game Type: HOLD'EM
Limit Type: NO LIMIT
Table Type: TOURNAMENT
Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS
Blinds are now $20/$40
Button is at seat 8
Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $3,010
Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890
Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250
Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175
Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,580
Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620
Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820
Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $2,970
Seat 9: miggel74 - $1,755
Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,930
Moving Button to seat 9
BeerBellyBob posts small blind ($20)
PADDINGTENPAIR posts big blind ($40)
Shuffling Deck
Dealing Cards
Dealing [As Ac] to gaztheyorkie
merchucius folds
enzino06 folds
callmebabe folds
scarface70 raises to $120
piskyn folds
lorie006 folds
gaztheyorkie raises to $360
miggel74 calls $360
BeerBellyBob folds
PADDINGTENPAIR folds
scarface70 folds
Dealing Flop [2c 8s 4h]
gaztheyorkie checks
miggel74 checks
Dealing Turn Jack of hearts
gaztheyorkie checks
miggel74 checks
Dealing River 8 of hearts
gaztheyorkie bets $160
miggel74 raises to $1,395 (all-in)
gaztheyorkie has requested more time
gaztheyorkie is using the time bank
gaztheyorkie has 109 seconds remaining in the time bank
gaztheyorkie calls $1,395
gaztheyorkie shows [As Ac]
miggel74 shows [Th Qh]
miggel74 has Flush, Queen high
miggel74 wins $3,690 with: Flush, Queen high
Seat 1: PADDINGTENPAIR - $2,970
Seat 2: merchucius - $2,890
Seat 3: enzino06 - $3,250
Seat 4: callmebabe - $3,175
Seat 5: scarface70 - $3,460
Seat 6: piskyn - $3,620
Seat 7: lorie006 - $2,820
Seat 8: gaztheyorkie - $1,215
Seat 9: miggel74 - $3,690
Seat 10: BeerBellyBob - $2,910
miggel74 can't believe it.
End Of Hand #923688132

see I know i screwed up big time, nobody needs to tell me what i did wrong I KNOW

But i tried to trap here, BIG MISTAKE!

IF U HAVE THE HAND DONT BE SCARED TO SHOVE IT ALL IN thats the messgae im trying to get across.


A tip, it's a bad idea to trap with only one pair post flop, he has so many outs, there is so many draws there on the turn, even on the flop I don't think its that good an idea to trap an over pair.

Besides why call the river bet? You have to know he has you there, the only hand you can beat is a bluff, and if he were to bluff he would have done it on the turn or not at all imo, he has to have at least an 8 there.

Edited by Whiskerer (16 August 2009 @ 16:56 GMT)


     
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Anyone who slow plays AA and limps deserves to get sucked out on.


     
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