Joined: Feb '09
Location: Germany
Age: 44 (M)
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am i wrong or does pkr take a dobbel rake on the small`n`g`s since today? i mean it was 1,10 yesterday and now it`s 1,20 that makes them nearley unbeatable
Joined: Dec '08
Location: Germany
Age: 45 (M)
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no prob, this rake is the same as at stars, but wtf if you become 3rd you get paid 1,80 - you play 1hr for 0,60 thats maybe why the people play more the turbo don´s( 1,10) or usual don´s(1,20) there.if you dont climb to 2nd or 1st often you cant beat the house on this small stake.
Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4873
i was thiking about making a deposit in few days there and playing there but i guess i should change my mind if they have doubled the rake, 20% is too much to beat for me
Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Posted by SuperNoob: i was thiking about making a deposit in few days there and playing there but i guess i should change my mind if they have doubled the rake, 20% is too much to beat for me
Well its only at the low stakes SNG, the $1 and lower But still......
Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4873
Posted by doomdy:
Posted by SuperNoob: i was thiking about making a deposit in few days there and playing there but i guess i should change my mind if they have doubled the rake, 20% is too much to beat for me
Well its only at the low stakes SNG, the $1 and lower But still......
but who knows they might increase it for higher stakes too, will wait and see how this develops
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 401
I don't play there, never was a big fan of The Sims. But How about mailing them showing how angry you are about it? "Hi, I'm sad about it, it's to har to beat SnG with 20% fees, I'm thinking about moving to another room, etc...". With many people complaining... I will not speculate about it, but you have nothing to lose.
''As PKR-Simon pointed out, Party charge significantly more and we are just moving more in line with the other big operators (Stars, FTP etc) - who are actually in a much better position to charge less for their low stake SNGs because they operate on a larger economy of scale. We also offer a premium product that required significantly more time, money and talent to create and we are younger and smaller in a dark economic period without the benefit of being able to compete for US players.
I don't like the idea of charging more for low stake SNGs either, but at the end of the day I want PKR to succeed. We need to compete with much bigger rivals and not charging as much as them for the last three years has left us at a disadvantage and with a bridge to build with customers that now feel like the rug has been ripped from under them. I do apologise for the obvious frustration and irritation that this causes to people and I do understand that this makes it harder to beat those limits.
On the other hand, our low stakers now don't have to wait hours and compete for MTT freeroll seats because they can build bankrolls for those micro stake games without depositing (in 10 cent giveaways running 24/7), so I don't think it's fair to say we are persecuting them. A large number of those players are playing with our money anyway.
One thing I will say is that Lemmo made a very good point (although our interface is both the cause and the compensation for getting slightly less 'play'). Simon has already agreed that he doesn't mind the structures being made a little deeper in the low stakes games to help offset the additional cost with vfm.
I will discuss it with Neil and see what can be done with the blind times etc to help micro stakers get a little more out of the game they are now paying a little more for.
My apologies again, but it isn't simple greed... we plough almost everything back into marketing, points, club pkr and running the place anyway. This really is a means for us to try and help PKR grow.
Sorry guys... it can't always be good news unfortunately - and I don't need to patronise you and explain why a business would make a bigger deal out of positives than negatives. I don't think we are the only company guilty of that lol''
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Well, all i know the PKR community (forum) is very much pissed off at all this, and not only the low stakes players, funny thing is also many high stakes players say its crap.
For me, as i 99% play stakes $5 and higher it doesnt affect me, but $2 + $0,20 its really crap doesnt matter if its Ipoker, Party or PKR. Many low stakes players allready said they are leaving PKR (if they really do is offcourse another story...)
------------ I just noticed the monthly/overall rankings bonusses are gone, now they made the monthly freeroll a littl bigger, so no more bonusses for rankings.
I really dont have a fokin clue wot u PKR-guys doin
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Portugal
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I dont think that is a negative point to pkr. They have to find ways to rent their business, and perhaps the number of real money players isnt growing as fast as they were expecting when they created the site. Is sure should have been quite expensive to do it, so they need money to pay it.
