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playing $5/$10 on absolute poker and got into a hand wit manutboljr i have about $2900 in front of me at this time
im on the button with J10 suited manutboljr is 2 positions behind me and 1 other person in the hand with us is in between us Manutbol raises to $50 preflop the guy behind him and behind him(me) calls flop comes 7 8 9 2 cards might of been suited im not sure i know all 3 of them werent suited manut first to act checks the next guy bets $200 i just call manut raises to $600 guy behind him folds i go all in for $2200 more he calls and shows 7 7 turn comes out King and river is another King to give him a full house over my nut straight for $6000 i dont know what i could of done there
not really a bad beat as such, when he has a set on the turn he has 7 outs, (three 8's three 9's and the last 7) and on the river he has 10 outs (the previous 7 and the three more kings) all up he was about 35% to win on the flop. so you were a two to one favourite but it was more an expensive coin flip as opposed to a bad beat.
especially considering his pot odds at the time of calling your all in ( he called 2200 into a pot of 3400) meaning he could be slightly less than even money and still be getting the right odds
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First of all Joeyz, I´m terribly sorry about your loss. I´m definately not here to say hey, you did this or that wrong, but what we can try to do is analize the hand and see if there is anyway that you could have taken the pot or have folded before losing more money.
In my opinion, JTs is a very dangerous hand. If it was me I would have probably folded. But since you didn´t, we have to take it from there. So Manut raises (what kind of player is he? did you have any notes on him?) What cards did you put him on before you considered calling?
After, the flop comes, wonderful and quiet for you, waiting to give you a great win, a great pot. Well, in this round of betting we see that Manut check-raised, basically saying to you... If I don´t have the nuts, I probably have second best possible on the board.
So, before you re-raised all-in, what hand did you put him on? Did you think maybe he had an overpair? He was flush or straight drawing? Bluffing? Or actually that he indeed have a set, but you didn´t care much?
Ok so it´s done, the rest is history. Hummm If you would have called, the K on turn would probably have made him put you all in, so I don´t see how you could have laid this down, especially so pot commited and by all means, with the nut straight.
I guess it was all written on the flop.
Well, my closing is going be that I personally would have thrown that hand away pre-flop, but of course after the flop I would have done the same. Just one thing that I have noticed online, is that when goign all in with a favorite hand, but there is the possibility of losing, it happens quite often, so maybe next time think alot before commiting your whole stack.
People with pocket pairs tend to take the biggest pots, It happens over and over again.
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That's a lot of money. Tough luck. I like j10 especially suited so I would have called a pretty big raise with this hand preflop. Hope your luck turns.
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You didnt make nothing bad ... u played it OK just the guy was lucky .. thats poker and on guys like this u have to earn in longer time periode more then u will lose thats the right of poker just patience ! and btw nice stacks !
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Posted by thefodz: First of all Joeyz, I�m terribly sorry about your loss. I�m definately not here to say hey, you did this or that wrong, but what we can try to do is analize the hand and see if there is anyway that you could have taken the pot or have folded before losing more money.
In my opinion, JTs is a very dangerous hand. If it was me I would have probably folded. But since you didn�t, we have to take it from there. So Manut raises (what kind of player is he? did you have any notes on him?) What cards did you put him on before you considered calling?
After, the flop comes, wonderful and quiet for you, waiting to give you a great win, a great pot. Well, in this round of betting we see that Manut check-raised, basically saying to you... If I don�t have the nuts, I probably have second best possible on the board.
So, before you re-raised all-in, what hand did you put him on? Did you think maybe he had an overpair? He was flush or straight drawing? Bluffing? Or actually that he indeed have a set, but you didn�t care much?
Ok so it�s done, the rest is history. Hummm If you would have called, the K on turn would probably have made him put you all in, so I don�t see how you could have laid this down, especially so pot commited and by all means, with the nut straight.
I guess it was all written on the flop.
Well, my closing is going be that I personally would have thrown that hand away pre-flop, but of course after the flop I would have done the same. Just one thing that I have noticed online, is that when goign all in with a favorite hand, but there is the possibility of losing, it happens quite often, so maybe next time think alot before commiting your whole stack.
People with pocket pairs tend to take the biggest pots, It happens over and over again.
Wow, can�t believe I wrote so much.
You played great man, tough luck. Take care
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^^^^its funny cuz i did the same exact thing i swear i fell straight to the ground, thanks for your comment i know i might not of called preflop but being the button and being JTsuited one of my top 3 hands becuz i flop nuts wit it so much its tough to not call especially when another called before me, i also forgot to mention that i deposited $150 and built my stack up to that high, but went broke that hand cuz me and my friend are crazy and like to play with our whole stack at the highest stakes we can lol, plus we have history with manutboljr, he plays 3-4 5/10 tables every night, so when i get up enough cash i go play with him
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It's very crual for you to lose many money with this hand but the other player had a good game and it was difficult to fold but that's the danger of the straight when a player has a pocket pair in hand.
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I must say that you did absolutely nothing wrong. The GODS werent good to you thats all. Got your money in with the best..favourite!!!! 90% of the time thats your pot, would you then post something along the lines of 'did i play this wrong by getting all my money in as favourite'
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j0eyz, do you have any other hands you would like to share with us here in the forum? Feel free to post them at anytime... you´ll always find someone to comment about the hand.
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or very unlucky.. j0... but thats the "bad poker god" .. he would give the fishes luck that they play more... .. but good for us! next hand you will win money from him ..
and on guys like this u have to earn in longer time periode more then u will lose 
.. he would give the fishes luck that they play more... 
