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Milesaway558: A bot or a genius?

Tags: Milesaway558, PokerStars, PokerStars micro-limit.
Posted on 16 December 2008 by "T".

A super grinder has earned $107,000 on micro-limit tables where the average buy-in is around $6. He has been seen on 43 tables at the same time on PokerStars. How is this possible many people have been questioning themselves?


Milesaway558 has really got many people`s attention lately when he been killing the game on the micro-limits at PokerStars and made over hundred thousand dollars by playing on lots of tables at the same time.

In an interview with a big poker magazine the man behind the alias Milesaway558 revels the secret behind his success.

"I think it is funny that people think I am a bot. I hate to disappoint you, but I am not. Yesterday was the first time ever, where I played 43 tables. Normally I play 'only '25" says Milesaway558 .

Milesaway558 also says that he is dropping out of college to pursue his chance in poker and that he could never even have imagined he would end up this successful by grinding on the micro-limits.


"It has not been as I imagined it to be. Unfortunately, this is the way my financial situation looks," says Milesaway558 about his dropping out of college plans.

 


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47 comments for "Milesaway558: A bot or a genius?"

 shokaku16/12/2008 15:58:44 GMT
43 tables???? It gets hectic if i try to play 4 tables. Guess it is a good idea to limit the number of tables one player can sit at.
 doomdy16/12/2008 15:58:58 GMT
How can you play 43 tables omg.
I did 9 in the past but stopped cos i get a headache in concentrating but 43 wtf.

Very nice winnings but so much tables not for me..
 T3ddyKGB16/12/2008 16:13:48 GMT
id say this is a bot because its impossible. 4 tables is OK and even that can really be pure hectic if theres fast tables, because you try to raise at one table while another table popup in the window. and if you dont react in time you just sit out.
ok at pokerstars you have 1min time....but 43 tables ??
 Sascha2k16/12/2008 16:49:43 GMT
Hm...hard to believe that someone can play 43 tables at the same moment. How many monitors does he has to have? And how he does manage to play hard situations. Cant believe he never has to think about a situation if he can call or not. Maybe he plays 12 tables by his own but not 43! Must be bot!
 jevo16/12/2008 16:55:52 GMT
Here's a clip of Havad Khan playing 26 table at once

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=X61dIrAmrz4

Here's a another guy doing it

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=jO8LLYa3SHc

And another guy doing 50 tables!!!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XfTAgkwxgko
 Whiskerer16/12/2008 17:10:08 GMT
For one you don't play short handed tables, and especially not heads up. It all depends how many hands you play. You can play solid by the book tight poker on micro limit tables and play about 15-20% of hands, even less if it's really bad opponents that doesn't pick up on it, which is usual on micro stakes. So it is very possible, I mean 10 tables is pretty standard for serious grinders, so why wouldn't people be able to handle a lot more.
 Sascha2k16/12/2008 17:17:01 GMT
Hope you're right.
 Predobar16/12/2008 17:38:19 GMT
Here is another one of Khan.
Did you all see how Khan knew that guy was bluffing when he was holding AA, he gets them around 5:32 of video linked below, WOW, <=sarcasm. Why don`t you let him bluff at you then, 1on1 holding aces guy is bluffing. LOL

Poker sites should put limit or make bot usage legal, because that`s what he is, living bot. These practices kill the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQl0xgIP5D4&NR=1
 lomax16/12/2008 17:54:51 GMT
mhm i can't belive!?! 43 tables at pokerstars ?? simple incredible Shock Shock this is certain a genius Smile Smile
 Marclor16/12/2008 19:56:24 GMT
I used to play 25 tables and would not need the "time" feature to get the extra minute. So 43 is definitely possible to do, especially if he had one of those programs that just fold trash hands for you (which i didnt have). Even without it im sure a couple people can do it. The tables he played at probably were 10 handed too which slows the pace of the game.

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Edit : I finally had to stop cause I wanted to go to the gym on a strict schedule and concentrate on university at the same time.. Sad
 padod16/12/2008 20:12:49 GMT
..............

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Posted by Predobar:
Here is another one of Khan.
Did you all see how Khan knew that guy was bluffing when he was holding AA, he gets them around 5:32 of video linked below, WOW, <=sarcasm. Why don`t you let him bluff at you then, 1on1 holding aces guy is bluffing. LOL

Poker sites should put limit or make bot usage legal, because that`s what he is, living bot. These practices kill the game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQl0xgIP5D4&NR=1


i agree with predobar lets start banning people for using there brains this way we will all play as bad as predobar and he mite win a buyin

/sarcasm
 taavi1916/12/2008 20:53:33 GMT
WOW Smile 50 tables omg
 M3turbo16/12/2008 20:57:21 GMT
Bot or guy playing 43 tables doesn't matter both are easily crushed. Same goes for the short stack bot players on Ipoker Veiovis, Play3r1337, Chanfong, JohnEdvards and Andreo11. They are all losers in my database except Chanfong, two of them are playing so poorly that they are on my buddylist which meens that im actually looking for them when logging in Big Smile
Sadly it seems they are winning rake races, check top 3:

http://www.titanpoker.com/leaderboardd.html
 shokaku16/12/2008 21:08:06 GMT
Looking for shortstackers? Are there no deep stacked fish at your current level?
 M3turbo16/12/2008 21:18:22 GMT
Yes my buddy list contains easy money, short and full stack. Really doesn't matter as long as it's easy Smile Im multi tabling so can't be too picky but full stack fish are ofcourse preferable.
 Whiskerer16/12/2008 21:46:17 GMT
All depends on your pick of table, against a lot of deep stacks short stack strategy is solid poker with a small bank roll. With some smarts though deep stacking is better when you have built up a bigger roll though. But seriously you can't argue with his results, if he plays so bad how come he makes so much more than most other, most probably including you. In the end profit is the measurement of successfull poker.
 Predobar16/12/2008 22:03:59 GMT
i agree with predobar lets start banning people for using there brains

So for you its right move to get bluffer out of the pot? That is really smart play.
Are these Your ITM finishes?
 M3turbo17/12/2008 00:23:13 GMT
Posted by Whiskerer:
All depends on your pick of table, against a lot of deep stacks short stack strategy is solid poker with a small bank roll. With some smarts though deep stacking is better when you have built up a bigger roll though. But seriously you can't argue with his results, if he plays so bad how come he makes so much more than most other, most probably including you. In the end profit is the measurement of successfull poker.



I was talking about the Ipoker shortstack bots, they play so bad. Short stacking will never get solid cause you can't play for set/str8/flush value but turn it around and the same goes you can't play them with drawy/set hands cause there is no implied odds in them, So yes they are annoying to play because you have to adapt your game so much to them but if done correctly it can be very profitable playing them. Especially the bots since they are playing so many tables you quickly require their raise/3bet shove range and note it, after that it's money in the bank.

I don't argue with his results, don't know over how long time he made the 107K$ so can't say wether he makes more or less than me but probably more. My point was playing 43 tables he's playing scheme/robot'ish poker which only can be done profitable vs non thinking opponents which you find at 6$ buy-in. Opponents don't adjust to him as they would at higher levels. A player as good as him or nearly could beat him playing less tables but maybe not making more money than him but be a winner vs him.

In the end successful poker is measured same way as any other buissness....profit pr time.
 Jaydz17/12/2008 01:03:23 GMT
Definitely not a bot, but I don't think I could play more than 5 myself.

Big Smile
 reddevil14717/12/2008 01:27:38 GMT
i think everyone who is calling him a bot are just jelous of his success.
 medvedev17/12/2008 13:16:50 GMT
Wow. 43 tables... I can't imagine how he can make it himself. Perhaps a group of people (a team)..... Anyway that's fantastic.
 Whiskerer17/12/2008 13:18:10 GMT
Sure someone could beat him at maybe even 8 tables, at which point he is still killing at 17 tables, so imo he's still got you.
 doomdy17/12/2008 13:44:53 GMT
I think he can make more money with less tables and a limit higher....
 Predobar17/12/2008 14:03:24 GMT
He can win money, after all he has stats to prove that but that is not poker. That`s some math game with elements of multilevel marketing. Numbers over quality.
 M3turbo17/12/2008 15:04:40 GMT
Predobar spot on.

Can this guy prove his results when I sharkscope him he has $16K profit, not $107K.

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Posted by Whiskerer:
Sure someone could beat him at maybe even 8 tables, at which point he is still killing at 17 tables, so imo he's still got you.


You got something wrong out of 43 tables he is killing none of them he is playing str8 forward and living of people mistakes which there are plenty of at 6$ tables. He doesn't dominate(killing) any of the tables, more like marginal winner but with the extreme number of tables it turns into cash.
 MANUEDO17/12/2008 15:43:05 GMT
Is it all real ?
And the interview is real too ?
Which poker magazine was made this interview on ?
Who was the interviewer ?


 Whiskerer17/12/2008 15:53:26 GMT
Regardless of semantics, my point remains valid, you can maybe beat him on a few tables, but that is still a minority of what he is playing. Besides, it seems you have got something wrong, sharkscope only covers tournaments.
 shokaku17/12/2008 17:05:00 GMT
Posted by doomdy:
I think he can make more money with less tables and a limit higher....


Maybe. But with higher variance too. With so many tables a bad beat or two is of no big influence to the results.
 M3turbo17/12/2008 17:33:15 GMT
Posted by Whiskerer:
Regardless of semantics, my point remains valid, you can maybe beat him on a few tables, but that is still a minority of what he is playing. Besides, it seems you have got something wrong, sharkscope only covers tournaments.



Nothing wrong here, I asked if he could prove his results cause sharkscope only said $16K and as I understand it his maingame is 6$ S&G.

I'll cut it out for you so you understand. When I ask if he can prove it, it meens has anyone seen any evidence of these results if not from sharkscope then graphs from HEM/PT.
 GamblinDemon17/12/2008 18:44:46 GMT
My records is 12 tables in the mean time but i had a lot of troubles because i organized them all next to each other so they were sooo smal... i think the best option is to have 2 30" monitors Smile
 eltuga00718/12/2008 04:12:04 GMT
wow 43 tables omg is genial
 doomdy18/12/2008 10:32:41 GMT
I dont see why he is a genius ??
 shokaku18/12/2008 16:53:52 GMT
Posted by doomdy:
I dont see why he is a genius ??


Winning $100.000 + at such low levels? Not that easy. But you have to be a leatherass (or a bot) to do it.
 doomdy19/12/2008 09:09:33 GMT
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by doomdy:
I dont see why he is a genius ??


Winning $100.000 + at such low levels? Not that easy. But you have to be a leatherass (or a bot) to do it.

Yes true lot of money 100K Cool

But is he a good poker player? Dont know. He definitly make more money as i do with poker Blink
 DUDEHIGHLAND19/12/2008 15:32:41 GMT
dos he have 20 pair of hands and 10 pc with 10 monitors??
 tim201222/12/2008 01:19:01 GMT
this smells like bullshit if you ask me 43 tables man i mean..come on with 4 you go crazy cause when you want to raise with one the other comes..and another so 43 seems impossible to me can't be done trust me.....
 DoffR22/12/2008 15:50:05 GMT
Ofc it can be don tim2012. Many players does that. They play very very few hands.
 Rasmusbre25/12/2008 21:43:58 GMT
I dont think its possible to make that good a bot. If you have a Bot you will win some if you are lucky - but in the long run you will lose?
Havent heard of a bot that works anyways =)
 Calmplay25/12/2008 21:59:45 GMT
Obviously both Big Smile I don't think he's a human being as no human can master 43 tables at the same time in poker & the worst make a profit of 100k. Come on ... Thumbs Down
 intentcity426/12/2008 09:28:17 GMT
i dont think its possible to play that many tables, if it were possible the tables would have to be 10 seaters which he may do, but it has to be a bot, are bots legal??
 dunotra26/12/2008 09:46:03 GMT
Posted by intentcity4:
i dont think its possible to play that many tables, if it were possible the tables would have to be 10 seaters which he may do, but it has to be a bot, are bots legal??


Yeh 43 tables dos sound a bit unbelivble, I tried 4 once and i could not keep up with them and bot's are not legal on most sites. Poker stars have a list of band software on there site. But some of the bots have ingenus ways of clocking them selfs. had a look at one a few weeks back and to make it look human it even chated in the chat box to outher player's just thing's like nh gh things like that.

Even SharkScope band on Stars now I think
 BDD42001/01/2009 19:55:20 GMT
Well tourneys is easy I used to play 5 or 6 cash tables at once 1/2 2/4 blinds, Tom Dwan plays 8 heads up tables at once 400/800 etc.. But while i was playing i seen lots of ppl playin up to 10 12 tables at once, they only play top hands AQ or better etc.. So its not really that hard with 2 or 3 monitors. You lose the ability to read most of your players and notice paterns but you are destined to win if you keep playin K's and A's etc..
 silentcell02/01/2009 03:31:05 GMT
total fkn bullshit.the guys prolly some freak of a pinhead who has no life.
 doomdy02/01/2009 08:49:34 GMT
Posted by silentcell:
total fkn bullshit.the guys prolly some freak of a pinhead who has no life.


Yes he has a life with money Tongue

Not for me so much tables but hey nice money Smile
 T3ddyKGB02/01/2009 13:00:49 GMT
if the pokerroom hasnt much traffic and you see 3-4 players at several tables then you can calculate what hands they gonna play. i was also playin 4 tables at once and had alot fun vs this guys. i just checked on which table they focus right now ( by delays) so i was often able to know when i may bluff raise at a certain table because i knew hes focusing on another table (which i was delayin lol - he waited for me to call/raise his huge bet). this has not much to do with poker, but i had alot fun that day Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

 shokaku02/01/2009 13:12:32 GMT
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
if the pokerroom hasnt much traffic and you see 3-4 players at several tables then you can calculate what hands they gonna play. i was also playin 4 tables at once and had alot fun vs this guys. i just checked on which table they focus right now ( by delays) so i was often able to know when i may bluff raise at a certain table because i knew hes focusing on another table (which i was delayin lol - he waited for me to call/raise his huge bet). this has not much to do with poker, but i had alot fun that day Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile



Hehe. Playing the player for the win. Big Smile
 BluffOnly06/01/2009 02:51:33 GMT
I was sitting at his table, in the 30k guarenteed tournament Big Smile

here's his last hand:

PokerStars Spil #23615278905: Turnering#131676609, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 06/01/2009 3:26:15 CET [05/01/2009 21:26:15 ET]
Bord '131676609 47' 9-max Knappen er på plads #1
Plads 1: milesaway558 (6332 i chips)
Plads 2: Luckyluch86 (12979 i chips)
Plads 3: Maestro773 (9910 i chips)
Plads 4: zach0984 (9295 i chips)
Plads 5: MightyBman (4400 i chips)
Plads 6: MAOSFRIAS (11887 i chips)
Plads 7: *Bluff Kidd* (29453 i chips)
Plads 8: poorlittlegu (19265 i chips)
Plads 9: Beretta20ga (6602 i chips)
milesaway558: poster ante 50
Luckyluch86: poster ante 50
Maestro773: poster ante 50
zach0984: poster ante 50
MightyBman: poster ante 50
MAOSFRIAS: poster ante 50
*Bluff Kidd*: poster ante 50
poorlittlegu: poster ante 50
Beretta20ga: poster ante 50
Luckyluch86: poster small blind 200
Maestro773: poster big blind 400
*** KORT ***
Givet til *Bluff Kidd* [5d Ks]
zach0984: folder
MightyBman: folder
MAOSFRIAS: folder
*Bluff Kidd*: folder
poorlittlegu: folder
Beretta20ga: folder
milesaway558: raiser 5882 til 6282 og er all-in
Luckyluch86: kalder 6082
Maestro773: folder
*** FLOP *** [Kh Tc 6c]
*** TURN *** [Kh Tc 6c] King of diamonds
*** RIVER *** [Kh Tc 6c Kd] 2 of hearts
*** SHOWDOWN ***
Luckyluch86: viser [Ac 5c] (et par, konger)
milesaway558: viser [Qc Jh] (et par, konger - lavere kicker)
Luckyluch86 vandt 13414 fra potten
*** RESUMÈ ***
Pot i alt: 13414 | Rake 0
Bord [Kh Tc 6c Kd 2h]
Plads 1: milesaway558 (knap) viste [Qc Jh] og tabte med et par, konger
Plads 2: Luckyluch86 (small blind) viste [Ac 5c] og vandt (13414) med et par, konger
Plads 3: Maestro773 (big blind) foldede før flop
Plads 4: zach0984 foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 5: MightyBman foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 6: MAOSFRIAS foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 7: *Bluff Kidd* foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 8: poorlittlegu foldede før flop (bettede ikke)
Plads 9: Beretta20ga foldede før flop (bettede ikke)

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