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Posted by sadamman: I meant it's hardly an edge, its not like you can't bet on 0.
The edge of the 0 (the 37th number) is the edge because when you bet on a single number you dont get 37/1 but 36/1 thats why it is the edge of the house
Also when people bet on black/red,even/oneven etc then when the 0 falls all those bets also are the house edge with the 0
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maybe this will help odds house edge Red 47.37% 5.26% Black 47.37% 5.26% Odd 47.37% 5.26% Even 47.37% 5.26% 1 to 18 47.37% 5.26% 19 to 36 47.37% 5.26% 1 to 12 31.58% 5.26% 13 to 24 31.58% 5.26% 25 to 36 31.58% 5.26% Sixline (6 numbers) 15.79% 5.26% First five (5 numbers)13.16% 7.89% Corner (4 numbers) 10.53% 5.26% Street (3 numbers) 7.89% 5.26% Split (2 numbers) 5.26% 5.26% Any one number 2.63% 5.26%
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I think that roulette is a game where you can get to win but you have to know when to fold. you can use the trick to bet if you lose twice alternating the color black a red one, but will a point at which you retire because saebr no limit on the bet. is a boring game and quite monotonous. Like if you can not withdraw you lose everything very easily. just not always going to win with that strategy and is one of the best I've seen it work. but to some extent
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well i like your suggested strategy- min bet, double up after a win, reach a certain point which is either one of these: limit that you set up yourself- for example take profit after 4 doubling up"s or go for table maximum. either way this is the best strategy, because you are using casino money to make bigger stakes, in the long run you will lose- because of the house edge, but in the shorter run this is a decent strategy
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Havent ever played roulette for real money. While at casino's i spent some time watching others play and have seen some winning some very, very good amounts by betting big. But i always wondered if they gain anything at the end from it, cause if you are a regular going for big hits, i think its hard to happen.
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you should not play it at all,,but if u see it as a side bet on your pokergame it can bring u some fortune...
For instance ,u win a sng 1 euro buy in...45 players...you get 20+ $....then u can decide to play
roulette for 1 euro...if u lose ,,get back to poker...
The trick is to go for max. profit ..so red or black is no option...
if u want advise ...: here is my strategy..: bye the way,there is absolutely no guarantee u will win this way,,,but if u do,,it will be quick and high profit..
Here it is....
Bet 1 euro on zero game ..so numbers 22-18-29-7-28-12-35-26-3-0-32-15-19-4-21-2-25..
divide ur bet on all these numbers equal..if possible..if not possible,,u can pick a number and put the extra coins on it...but equal divide is best i think...
Next.. Bet al winnings + initial 1 euro on 5-8 series.. so numbers 16-33-24-5-10-8-23-30-11-36-27
next.. bet all winings +initial bet on orfanelli... so numbers 1-14-20-9-31-6-34-17
next ....stop playing..if u won all 3 bets ..it should be enough profit for 1 session...
this u have to see also on long term...if u win at poker 1 tournament,,,1 euro to play roulette is not
a bankroll killer...and i am sure if u use this strategy u will not lose money,,but at least get break even,,,and sometimes give urself a boost..
might win a lot also if ur just plain lucky...at least ur loses will stay within proportions..
don't make it a habit..ive seen enough people going from hero to zero...in casino's
and 1 million $ is easy to lose ,no mather who u are,,where ur from or where u play at...
at any casino game ,the trick is to make a minimum amount of bets...
every time u bet u risk losing your money,,so better make 1 or 2 bets of 50 dollar instead of 25 to 50 bets of 1 or 2 dollar...
bye the way ...after 2 hits with what i suggested ,u can also decide to roam some of ur profit and
don't go all inn at the last and 3rd bet...it's the most diff. one to hit...least numbers covered..
and if ur creative u can adjust here and there...by putting some extra fiches on particulair numbers within the series you play...
but if ur not creative...stick to the initial plan....it's good enough.
just read some former pots in this thread and reply on it by editing my post..
i saw someone telling he saw some people winning big by betting big...indeed true..
but have u followed these guys over a longer period..???
99% lose always at casino's...some people win ,,,the ones that come there once or twice a year...
and get lucky...
i have a friend...in real life ,,he lost about 3 to 4 million Dutch Guilders in a period of 2 years,at the time...so this was before the euro was introduced to europe...
that converted 15 years ago to euro's ,,would come around to 1.6 million euro's.
this is the amount i have withnessed,,,what he has lost without me being around ,,i don't know,,but u can add 1.5 million to that total loss..
another example...i knew a lady...her husband was a pilot for KLM..royal dutch airlines..
him: working like hell and flying all over the world....making a living for himself and his wife.
Her: al days at the local casino/cardclub ,,taking the phone whenever she got called ,and always answering she is at a friends house..busy doing womenstuff...
but we all know better, for years she has lost all his money,,,till she died at the cardtable...well at least i know she passed away..and played at least in the last week she was alive...
So addict for live...The 1rst time i saw here lie over the phone i was realy shocked...from that day i labeled her,,bigtime Gamblingaddict....and got used to her lying over the phone..lol
Only feel sorry for her husband,,the poor fellow never knew,, i guess.
Now,, i know whoever reads this might think???
What did u do there al this time,if ur not an addict urself...??
First of all i was a progambler on slotmachines...but that's a long time ago..
second ,,i was a friend of the owner of this casinoclub.. still am ,but only go there on holidays..
chat with some people i know there,,,don't play myself....a cardgame of rummy now and then
but this is very sporadic..since i don't come there on regular bases any more..
a couple of years ago ,me and 2 friends introduced blackjack at that casino...bye hiring a section at that casino..of course we had to pay the owner rent for the space and some of our profits ...
lasted 3 weeks,,,then we quited...too much haedache....some days we lost being the house... lack of experience i guess, and not very good dealers...but was nice experiement...all 3 of us made a little more then 4.5 k euro's in 3 weeks...
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someone asked if blackjack is better then roulette???
well,at a full table with 7 players at a blackjacktable ,you have 7 more factors ,which influence the game...so u got zero control,,no mather if ur 1rst to act or last to act...
remember: at all casinogames ,the house has an advantage over the players..even if its 1 percent its enough for them...on long term they win...guaranteed...its their product ,their profession..
whenever u play casinogames...play those games ,where u have most chances and least factors influencing the game,,,
so if u ask me ,,better play roulette,,,
blackjack is called a 50/50 game,,,with almost similar odds for the house aswell for the player,,
but this is only true if u play 1 box against the Dealer...the more players join the game and the more boxes are opened ,your chances to win will decrease ,,,a lot.
So private table,,,and 1 box alowed?? u can try it once in a while...
oh,yeah forgot 1 thing: Cardcounting....this is history at most casino's
reason? ; most casino's use cardshufflers..so u can't count what's in or out..all cards are back in the deck each hand played...or they use 3 times 52 cards instead of 6-7 times.
Have never tried cardcounting tho...and will never try it in the future..
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the only way to win in the casino is to win money in the short run- that's it, oh there is another way- to put a microchip in your ass and play roulette- the chip in your ass would be a great indicator whether the next number is going to be odd or even, and as an added bonus this chip would be a great indicator of what's the weather gonna be like in two weeks time
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Roulette is unbeatable (unless you can somehow cheat, like shifting your bets without the spinner noticing).
In saying that - there are bet placements that have lower house edges....
Basically - if you really wanted to put the "odds on your side" then simply use martingale -
With martingale on any given day you use this strategy the odds are hugely in your favour of winning - however, the house ultimately wins because the one day you finally lose, you lose a fucking s**t load of money.
In case you don't know martingale - the concept is very simple:
You start with the lowest possible red/black bet allowed on the table
say $2
So you decide you go with red
You put $2 on red
If you lose, you put $4 on red, if you lose again, you bet $8 and literally every time you lose you double your bet. When you finally hit red your total profit will be the EXACT amount of your orginal bet ($2)
so in this example, lets say you bet $2 and it goes
black, black, black, black, red
so you bet $2, $4, $8, $16, $32
On the final bet you win and collect $64
So your total bets were 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 = $62
so your profit is the $64 win minus the $62 worth of bets.
Now heres the catch - the casinos put a ceiling on the amount you can bet, so eventually you hit the maxium bet you can for that particular table (on a $2 table it might be $500)
Once you hit that ceiling you can no longer double your bet and you end up losing a s**t load of money chasing a $2 win
However - to counter this there is a couple things you can do:
Start with a low min-max table, if you hit the ceiling, move across to another table with a higher max bet.
Use a team, if the maximum bet is $500, with two people placing a bet then your maximum becomes $1000 (you'll be escorted from the casino if found to be using a team - be smart and do it on a different table each).
here's the thing though - on any given day - you're likely to win (a small amount) but if you continue to do this all the time, eventually you'll hit a run of say 20 blacks in a row when you're better red. if you start with a $2 bet then consider 2^20 = $1,048,576 - which means, when that day finally comes, in an attempt to win $2 you end up losing literally over a million dollars.
Soo.. What you should do, is only ever do it once - if you do it once - the chances are in your favour you'll win (a small amount). However - it's pretty pointless - because in order to have a really good chance of winning $10 you need to be willing to risk thousands.
So - as I say, ultimately unbeatable - but if you really want to maximise your chances the best possible way to do it is martingale with a team spread across multiple tables so you can effectively increase the maximum allowed bet, therefore increasing the amount of times the wrong colour has to appear in a row for you to lose.
But the best advise is - never play any casino game with a house edge. Unless you are a BJ card counter with a sophisticated team that you trust - this is literally a way you CAN beat the casinos. But it isn't easy, it requires a lot of trust a lot of stealth and a bunch of relatively intelligent people.
Jess hit the nail right on the head. The casinos put a cap on the max bet...I kno ppl that have had their accounts locked betting that way. Now with the cap they could care less coz now the edge is back in their favor. If you have money to burn go for it. It's all luck, no skill, doesn't matter what system one uses.
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Posted by jessthehuman: Roulette is unbeatable (unless you can somehow cheat, like shifting your bets without the spinner noticing).
In saying that - there are bet placements that have lower house edges....
Basically - if you really wanted to put the "odds on your side" then simply use martingale -
With martingale on any given day you use this strategy the odds are hugely in your favour of winning - however, the house ultimately wins because the one day you finally lose, you lose a fucking s**t load of money.
In case you don't know martingale - the concept is very simple:
You start with the lowest possible red/black bet allowed on the table
say $2
So you decide you go with red
You put $2 on red
If you lose, you put $4 on red, if you lose again, you bet $8 and literally every time you lose you double your bet. When you finally hit red your total profit will be the EXACT amount of your orginal bet ($2)
so in this example, lets say you bet $2 and it goes
black, black, black, black, red
so you bet $2, $4, $8, $16, $32
On the final bet you win and collect $64
So your total bets were 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 = $62
so your profit is the $64 win minus the $62 worth of bets.
Now heres the catch - the casinos put a ceiling on the amount you can bet, so eventually you hit the maxium bet you can for that particular table (on a $2 table it might be $500)
Once you hit that ceiling you can no longer double your bet and you end up losing a s**t load of money chasing a $2 win
However - to counter this there is a couple things you can do:
Start with a low min-max table, if you hit the ceiling, move across to another table with a higher max bet.
Use a team, if the maximum bet is $500, with two people placing a bet then your maximum becomes $1000 (you'll be escorted from the casino if found to be using a team - be smart and do it on a different table each).
here's the thing though - on any given day - you're likely to win (a small amount) but if you continue to do this all the time, eventually you'll hit a run of say 20 blacks in a row when you're better red. if you start with a $2 bet then consider 2^20 = $1,048,576 - which means, when that day finally comes, in an attempt to win $2 you end up losing literally over a million dollars.
Soo.. What you should do, is only ever do it once - if you do it once - the chances are in your favour you'll win (a small amount). However - it's pretty pointless - because in order to have a really good chance of winning $10 you need to be willing to risk thousands.
So - as I say, ultimately unbeatable - but if you really want to maximise your chances the best possible way to do it is martingale with a team spread across multiple tables so you can effectively increase the maximum allowed bet, therefore increasing the amount of times the wrong colour has to appear in a row for you to lose.
But the best advise is - never play any casino game with a house edge. Unless you are a BJ card counter with a sophisticated team that you trust - this is literally a way you CAN beat the casinos. But it isn't easy, it requires a lot of trust a lot of stealth and a bunch of relatively intelligent people.
I alraidy said most of this earlier in this thread....beside that you CAN win very big on roulette When you a big roler and you place big bets on a few maybe 5 numbers and maybe 1 even bigger bet..then if you hit your numbers a few times you can win very big...seen it many times
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Posted by jessthehuman: Roulette is unbeatable (unless you can somehow cheat, like shifting your bets without the spinner noticing).
In saying that - there are bet placements that have lower house edges....
Basically - if you really wanted to put the "odds on your side" then simply use martingale -
With martingale on any given day you use this strategy the odds are hugely in your favour of winning - however, the house ultimately wins because the one day you finally lose, you lose a fucking s**t load of money.
In case you don't know martingale - the concept is very simple:
You start with the lowest possible red/black bet allowed on the table
say $2
So you decide you go with red
You put $2 on red
If you lose, you put $4 on red, if you lose again, you bet $8 and literally every time you lose you double your bet. When you finally hit red your total profit will be the EXACT amount of your orginal bet ($2)
so in this example, lets say you bet $2 and it goes
black, black, black, black, red
so you bet $2, $4, $8, $16, $32
On the final bet you win and collect $64
So your total bets were 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 + 32 = $62
so your profit is the $64 win minus the $62 worth of bets.
Now heres the catch - the casinos put a ceiling on the amount you can bet, so eventually you hit the maxium bet you can for that particular table (on a $2 table it might be $500)
Once you hit that ceiling you can no longer double your bet and you end up losing a s**t load of money chasing a $2 win
However - to counter this there is a couple things you can do:
Start with a low min-max table, if you hit the ceiling, move across to another table with a higher max bet.
Use a team, if the maximum bet is $500, with two people placing a bet then your maximum becomes $1000 (you'll be escorted from the casino if found to be using a team - be smart and do it on a different table each).
here's the thing though - on any given day - you're likely to win (a small amount) but if you continue to do this all the time, eventually you'll hit a run of say 20 blacks in a row when you're better red. if you start with a $2 bet then consider 2^20 = $1,048,576 - which means, when that day finally comes, in an attempt to win $2 you end up losing literally over a million dollars.
Soo.. What you should do, is only ever do it once - if you do it once - the chances are in your favour you'll win (a small amount). However - it's pretty pointless - because in order to have a really good chance of winning $10 you need to be willing to risk thousands.
So - as I say, ultimately unbeatable - but if you really want to maximise your chances the best possible way to do it is martingale with a team spread across multiple tables so you can effectively increase the maximum allowed bet, therefore increasing the amount of times the wrong colour has to appear in a row for you to lose.
But the best advise is - never play any casino game with a house edge. Unless you are a BJ card counter with a sophisticated team that you trust - this is literally a way you CAN beat the casinos. But it isn't easy, it requires a lot of trust a lot of stealth and a bunch of relatively intelligent people.
if all you said is true- and from my couple of years experience as a dealer i know it is then the best strategy to use in a casino is anti-martingale. idea is the same, just reversed- you double up after winning, not losing- this way you are playing with the "house" money and if you lose you always lose the min bet you started with
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Roulette is a nice game, but i think in online casinos, this is only a big fake. Only the live online roulette games are ok i think (at Betsson par eample). Don´t use the double up strategy with only roulette, you never win longtime.
