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The live games are much slower. So you lose your money not so fast. But the house edge for roulette is quite high anyway. There are better games in the casinos.
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well actually roulette is one of the best games in the casino- but is one of the games that most mistakes are made on- house edge is no higher than rake in poker- and you have several short term advantages i.e. you can wait for better moments without placing bets, min bets usually are lower than in other games etc.
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Posted by pochui: well actually roulette is one of the best games in the casino- but is one of the games that most mistakes are made on- house edge is no higher than rake in poker- and you have several short term advantages i.e. you can wait for better moments without placing bets, min bets usually are lower than in other games etc.
Ha finally someone who makes sense in this thread..i agree completely
These people come here saying you can never win on roulette while indeed the house edge is no higher then rake..they make idiot comments about it not even thinking about the real odds
So for all those people in this thread ....grow a brain
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Posted by remco2504:
Posted by pochui: well actually roulette is one of the best games in the casino- but is one of the games that most mistakes are made on- house edge is no higher than rake in poker- and you have several short term advantages i.e. you can wait for better moments without placing bets, min bets usually are lower than in other games etc.
Ha finally someone who makes sense in this thread..i agree completely
These people come here saying you can never win on roulette while indeed the house edge is no higher then rake..they make idiot comments about it not even thinking about the real odds
So for all those people in this thread ....grow a brain
Posted by pochui: well actually roulette is one of the best games in the casino- but is one of the games that most mistakes are made on- house edge is no higher than rake in poker- and you have several short term advantages i.e. you can wait for better moments without placing bets, min bets usually are lower than in other games etc.
How is one moment better than another? If you've just witnessed consecutive 20 blacks in a row, do you suppose betting Red gives you a better chance? It doesn't, the chance is the same on each spin.
There are no winning strategies in roulette, there may well be in poker, even with the rake.
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What do you mean with low-risk? I only know one strategy, and this has been all i ever heard about roulette when the objective is to risk the minimum: go for a colour. It doesnt matter what colour, you fix into one and you dont move. $1 red, goes black, so you double your bet, goes black again, you double to $4, and this time you hit it. Start again from the begining each time you get it. But remember my exemple: once i got black 16 times in a row.
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by remco2504:
Posted by pochui: well actually roulette is one of the best games in the casino- but is one of the games that most mistakes are made on- house edge is no higher than rake in poker- and you have several short term advantages i.e. you can wait for better moments without placing bets, min bets usually are lower than in other games etc.
Ha finally someone who makes sense in this thread..i agree completely
These people come here saying you can never win on roulette while indeed the house edge is no higher then rake..they make idiot comments about it not even thinking about the real odds
So for all those people in this thread ....grow a brain
lol... wow
To make my comment more clear...i dont agree that you can choose better moments with roulette because obviously every spin is random
I only agree on what he said about roulette beeing one of the best games and there is just a litle house edge so you can win often ...almost as often as you loose
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House edge on european roulette is around 2,7%, on american roulette even over 5%. Other popular casino games (blackjack, baccarat, craps) all have a lower house edge than roulette.
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Posted by remco2504: Yes 2.7% roulette vs 1. something % blackjack with basic strategy
But in the short term it doesnt realy matter
If you bet 100dreds maybe even thousands of same sized bets then maybe it will matter
But just as in poker you need many many hands of blackjack for example to get close to that house edge because the game is very swingy
The fact you won a couple of times with BlackJack or roulette doesnt mean ''fact its beatable''. There is just 1 fact: BlackJack and roulette is not beatable longrun, just a very simple fact.
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I dont know about roulette but if blackjack wasnt beatable casinos wouldnt change the rules all the time, by adding more decks to it. They were up to 8 decks last time i went to a casino, with forced shuffle after 5 decks. Why you think they made that if it was unbeatable ?
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Posted by Mober: I dont know about roulette but if blackjack wasnt beatable casinos wouldnt change the rules all the time, by adding more decks to it. They were up to 8 decks last time i went to a casino, with forced shuffle after 5 decks. Why you think they made that if it was unbeatable ?
The harder for to count cards. So this is your proof BalckJack IS beatable
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Live blackjack may be beatable with card counting, if they don't shuffle continuesly. But online blackjack software reshuffles before every hand, so one would rely on a good bonus. But those went the way of the dinosaurs.
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by remco2504: Yes 2.7% roulette vs 1. something % blackjack with basic strategy
But in the short term it doesnt realy matter
If you bet 100dreds maybe even thousands of same sized bets then maybe it will matter
But just as in poker you need many many hands of blackjack for example to get close to that house edge because the game is very swingy
The fact you won a couple of times with BlackJack or roulette doesnt mean ''fact its beatable''. There is just 1 fact: BlackJack and roulette is not beatable longrun, just a very simple fact.
Well isnt that exactly what i am saying ????
Read the comment better i clearly say if you place many bets the casino probaly has you Bet 10000 lose about 2% so 200 lost Play 100.000 lose 2% so 2000
But in the short run this does not matter it can go any way with such a small house edge
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by remco2504: Yes 2.7% roulette vs 1. something % blackjack with basic strategy
But in the short term it doesnt realy matter
If you bet 100dreds maybe even thousands of same sized bets then maybe it will matter
But just as in poker you need many many hands of blackjack for example to get close to that house edge because the game is very swingy
The fact you won a couple of times with BlackJack or roulette doesnt mean ''fact its beatable''. There is just 1 fact: BlackJack and roulette is not beatable longrun, just a very simple fact.
absolutely no game can be beaten in long run when it has a house edge (which is partially true even to poker- if 2 pro's battle for a long time- they will probably both end up losers just because of the constant rake), but going back to short time, which is th only way to win in casino- 'better moments" do exist- one of the best thing in roulette is dealers signature, a bit hard to explain, but if you want you can google that. now if you see 16 reds in a row whats the next? any random number- sure, i'm not talking about this strategy- just go for anti martingale is all i say- this strategy will prolong your life in the casino, and if you get enough numbers in a row in your favor you might even win, generally in casino you should enjoy yourself, but doing this pick the strategy which will make you go bust as slower as possible- enjoy your time
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I know its harder to count cards. And what that tells you, really?
Im pretty sure when the game first introduced someone said to play the game with 8 decks, to make it harder for the card counters in the future. And why not adding a shuffle after 5 decks, have been played, out of the 8? ok lets add that to.
But what if that gives the players still some edge? Well, then let casinos take care of that. They can make a list and start banning those players.
Right?
If we are taling about blackjack as a game outside casino rules yes its beatable.
And if casinos see that they are losing money they will change the rules once more.
Check to see the house advantage with one deck and how it changes up to eight.
And yet with those rules there are still players that make money.
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Posted by Mober: I know its harder to count cards. And what that tells you, really?
Im pretty sure when the game first introduced someone said to play the game with 8 decks, to make it harder for the card counters in the future. And why not adding a shuffle after 5 decks, have been played, out of the 8? ok lets add that to.
But what if that gives the players still some edge? Well, then let casinos take care of that. They can make a list and start banning those players.
Right?
If we are taling about blackjack as a game outside casino rules yes its beatable.
And if casinos see that they are losing money they will change the rules once more.
Check to see the house advantage with one deck and how it changes up to eight.
And yet with those rules there are still players that make money.
your concept of thinking is right- if casinos are taking various actions to protect themselves- this can only mean that they know that they can lose money in the long run- but the fact that they know it, practically eliminates any edge to an average player- so forget all the card counting stuff, or join a professional blackjack group
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This is true but there are still casino's in Atlantic City and Vegas who offer 2 deck games. Why ?? I dont realy know because if you count cards with 2 decks its much easier and your edge will be big ..
But online live blackjack always has 6 or 8 decks so no luck there
And even if you can count cards that doesnt mean you will always will It will just give you an idea if the cards left are favorable to you and if they are bet bigger...simple
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Einstein once said the only way to beat a roulette table is to steal money when the croupier wasn't looking...but he is talking about the table and not the game.. A very observant person has potential to beat the game, if late bets are aloud, then a skill full eye can actually beat the game, "cheating" in BJ will give you a 2-3% edge, however in roulette it can be over 80%. Having a computer calculate speed of the variables would be quite helpful. By no means saying it's easy, just possible. Or try voodoo.
