There is one situation where I use up my time bank, and let the clock run out every hand: When approaching the bubble, in a satellite MTT, with 10 or 25 prizes of equal value.
In this situation, when I have enough chips to make it, I always do this, so the other tables play more rounds than my table, and are blinded out sooner.
I feel it gives me a slight edge in reaching ITM, even though it's a clear invitation for anybody to steal my blinds, I just let them.
The fact that some people find this annoying is not relevant in this decision. Even the slightest edge takes precedence over being social to other players imo.
Also I never take offense at anything any other player does or says, except when they are cheating/colluding. I'm perfectly fine with players trying to be offensive, as a tactic (even though I've never done this myself); I've seen it working plenty of times; when two players are arguing and one of them goes all-in, the other one gets more tight, because it would hurt much more to bust out against that particular player. Imo that is just wrong. It gives up equity. As an observer you can take advantage of this.
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^ Tactical decisions are quite different and what you're talking about is legitimate strategy IMO.
Another similar example is when the blinds are about to go up a level and also a short stack is approaching small blind - you may wish to use the timer (even though you intend to fold) to ensure the blinds go through the short stack as a higher level.
hey retri, why punch a baby when you can punch a punching bag... nice one though... its really funny punching a baby when you get a bad beat or kk running thru aces..... ...i have played with this kind of players also...well he is lucky when his aces is not cracked...but i have cracked some ace lately in sng...me being chip leader and a short stack with aces..I push when im first to act with hands like 89s, k10s,109s....I notice that suited do more better against aces....and yeah, they also almost run out of time when they call...i dont know why they have to wait that long.....I think you can use up half of the time....me. i dont do this because i always end up folding this hand accidentally....
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Posted by B1gfoot: If there is someone else behind them and have you covered, then its plausible they are working out if it worth trying to drag in another player. You could be ss to thier x2 with a FS+ behind them. An instant call might scare off some, whilst looking like they are thinking might bring in another player to out play.
But the most plausible answer is they are trying to tilt you..I bet it works.
Posted by marqis: There is one situation where I use up my time bank, and let the clock run out every hand: When approaching the bubble, in a satellite MTT, with 10 or 25 prizes of equal value.
In this situation, when I have enough chips to make it, I always do this, so the other tables play more rounds than my table, and are blinded out sooner.
I feel it gives me a slight edge in reaching ITM, even though it's a clear invitation for anybody to steal my blinds, I just let them.
The fact that some people find this annoying is not relevant in this decision. Even the slightest edge takes precedence over being social to other players imo.
And other thing the OPlayer maybe calculating if there's FullHouse, Flush, Straight possibilities on the table, if I'm going too call a all in, I'm going too look to see if I'm ahead (have the nutz or near too), instead of just going in with out pondering the out come(s) of my actions,
Snap calling can be bad move/decision, as i have before thought (even though I been drunk as skunk some times when this has happened but not all the time lol ) i had a straight/fullhouse before, & lost because i didn't take time too make sure what i have had in my hand and whats on/in community cards.
I usually only flat-line (slow roll/clocking) when near bubble and sometimes if I can use the clock/flatline/time bank up before the next blinds/antes reach me, use the time/clock up before the next blind increase or antes start/goes up.( A few seconds is all it can take, too make it ITM or not, specially if i been card dead most of the tournament)
I mostly use Flatlining/Timebank, when I'm playing in PS OpenLeague where the object of game(s) is too get, top ranking as possible, say there's 10000- players (usually player's playing in OL game) the ++ points are at the 1440 rank/mark, next is the 250 mark (+++ points) then the 90 ( a big $00.01 ) mark ++++points ,etc.
The more + points per Tournament, the better pay out at end of month I usually make $1 or $.50 each month it be $5 or $2.50 if i had 20+ VPP each month, by playing 25-30+ game per month), Time is/can be your friend in this type of formats (satellites/leagues) even though i don't like doing it, It is a good +EV decision most of the time, Like when i been playing OL I have seen 200+ people go out in just 8-10 seconds while i flatlined.
SLOW PLAY, I usually ( not all the time, as it can back fire on you lol @***) use when i have the nuts and don't want scare out the other player's as its hard to get max value if u have Royal flush/Straight flush/Fullhouse and go all in after flop, turn, river, unless u go allin preflop. I have had 3 RF in 4 months and its hard to get max value, 1 time it payed off going all in after turn, but other 1 didn't, as i scared them off on turn and 1 i just slow played, Checking the flop and turn and let them cut there own throat on the river by them going all in ( Retribution maybe this can be a topic for ur videos, getting the most +EV value out of thee nutz Rf etc, http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id... )
@*** the worst bad beat i have had, was i had AAAAK on flop, I went all in on the flop and Q clubs on turn, J clubs came out on river. and u guessed right he turned over RF LOL bit like it happened in this Utube clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kycdQnKPz0 I Know How Mabuchi feels, 1 in 2.7 billion chance happening (says in commentary), Definitely My All Time BadBet PS; I have seen in a game where there was Straight flush possibility on the table and guy went all in on river (if remember right), as he had SF then other guy called, & won with bigger SF, the guy that lost must been spewing (shirt happens, diffidently in poker LOL)
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I think people may have misconstrued what I meant in my OP. I don't mean people who run out their timers in tourneys to bump up pay spots/bubble spots, that's fine. Sure it's a bit annoying when it's at your table, and you're the short stack, but if you're the big stack, it only hurts everyone else but you realistically.
What I actually was refering to, was when you make a shove with say KQ from the button, and it folds to BB who sits and waits his hole timer, making you sit there hoping he's going to just fold, because realistically you don't want to show down. He knows your stealing, and he holds AA so he makes you wait, tortured until he calls at the last second and shows AA and you get that horrible feeling knowing you're drawing virtually dead. THAT is what pisses me off, because it's so arrogant and horrible to do to someone else. They know they are calling, they don't have any real reason not to instantly call, they are just doing it to piss you off.
It's definitely a practice that is majorly frowned on in the live tables, especially in the upper levels. It's just a flagrant display of disrespect and there's absolutely no reason for it.
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totally agree with you retribution. there should be no place for it in poker. its totally bad etiquette and just really bad manners.
yeah poker is about telling a story that alot of the time is not true. so as poker players we are all good liars but there is no need for this total disrespect for your opponent. its bad enough to infuriate anyone.
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No offence, i just notice from also previous posts you get easily upset, many times in lines ''can you believe his call????'', but fact is its micro so yes many people dont have a clue wot they doin. I also see in other posts some nice betting lines and luv for the game, but still the fact is: Your still playing micro (again no offence). Wot i mean is, your better then micro but fact you cant play higher cos of bankrollmanagement which imho means you do sometin wrong, in other words its not that hard to make money at micros if you know the basic rules like you do (i think you do). So wot do you do wrong? Imo you play micro like its middle stakes which imo does not work. Just play many many more multitables and play like a bot, the roll must go up for sure.
And yes this slowroll is very annoying, but cant really be bothered
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There is one reason for them not to snap call you, which is knowing this way they will get even more chips from you. I know it’s terrible to suffer with this beats, but it’s also strategy. Sometimes we think we have a good hand and start betting since the begining and don’t let space for our opponents to act, they just react to our move. This way we have more difficult to realize they can have a better hand than ours, because we only see them calling our bet. Be careful when someone that was only calling you puts you all-in in the river, it may mean something.
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Retribution....their ploy has worked cos it has p*****d you off and they probably use it as part of their game to annopy people so they take their mind off the game and focus on the individual play. Please dont punch a baby but keep hitting your head against the proverbial brick wall.
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i believe there are two types of players who "slow roll"- the multitablers, who just act as fast as they can, and they just over-fancy their abilities- whenever i play it takes just a few hands to see who is multitabling- man they are so slow and the second type of "slow rollers" are those who just enjoy the moment- imagine this- you are deals aa and seeing someone going all in at you- you are so happy that just want to preserve the great moment for as long as possible...
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Posted by doomdy: No offence, i just notice from also previous posts you get easily upset, many times in lines ''can you believe his call????'', but fact is its micro so yes many people dont have a clue wot they doin. I also see in other posts some nice betting lines and luv for the game, but still the fact is: Your still playing micro (again no offence). Wot i mean is, your better then micro but fact you cant play higher cos of bankrollmanagement which imho means you do sometin wrong, in other words its not that hard to make money at micros if you know the basic rules like you do (i think you do). So wot do you do wrong? Imo you play micro like its middle stakes which imo does not work. Just play many many more multitables and play like a bot, the roll must go up for sure.
And yes this slowroll is very annoying, but cant really be bothered
I have no problem with bankroll management. I haven't busted a roll once, save for when I was first learning the game a few years ago. Of course when I was new, I bled money like a donk, but since I became profitable, I've always focused on playing well and managing my roll, so I've never gone broke.
Unfortunately, I have a girlfriend who I have to answer to. After F T P got shutdown and with it the few grand I had left on there, she "put her foot down" on me playing online poker. I had to convince her, after weeks of begging, that online poker was still safe and thus was able to keep playing.
I had to agree to a few "rules" though. First, I couldn't make any deposits period. She didn't want me risking any of "our" money. Fortunately since I played almost exclusively on FT, I didn't have a roll on any other sites save for a few bucks on Stars. So basically, I was stuck with no roll and no way to put money on, unless I went behind her back and deposited. Sure it would have been easy to go out and buy a prepaid card, but I would have been a dead man if she caught me lol.
So I took a long break from poker, since I wasn't going to waste my time trying to build a roll off of freerolls. Then I found this site, got my NDB on Party Poker, turned it into a decent roll, got sick of the site and cashed out most of it. Kept a little which I deposited on Stars to pad what I already had, and have been playing there trying to regrind my roll.
It's hard to find the time to put in enough volume to rebuild, but I'm getting there slowly.
LOL 
and the second type of "slow rollers" are those who just enjoy the moment- imagine this- you are deals aa and seeing someone going all in at you- you are so happy that just want to preserve the great moment for as long as possible... 
