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  11-Aug-12, 22:42   #1
Is this a snap call? 0 
sadamman 

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PokerStars Hand #84596567339: Tournament #599337602, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (400/800) - 2012/08/11 23:33:18 WET [2012/08/11 18:33:18 ET]
Table '599337602 2' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 4: ElJeyT (14530 in chips)
Seat 7: sadamman (4612 in chips)
Seat 8: dplfc83 (7858 in chips)
ElJeyT: posts the ante 50
sadamman: posts the ante 50
dplfc83: posts the ante 50
sadamman: posts small blind 400
dplfc83: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sadamman [Td Kd]
ElJeyT: raises 13680 to 14480 and is all-in
sadamman: calls 4162 and is all-in
dplfc83: folds
Uncalled bet (9918) returned to ElJeyT

     
  11-Aug-12, 22:51   #2
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Redvulture61 
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I wouldn't call it a snap call but it is close. It would be all dependent on the villain. Just because he has a big stack it does not mean he's stealing light. For all i know he could of had a run of really good cards and is a complete nit.

     
  11-Aug-12, 23:14   #3
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retribution 

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ICM wise I'd say it's 100% a fold. While you've still got a decent amount of your stack in, the BB is still yet to act. Likely he won't call unless he's got a decent hand, but no need taking a risk since he's relatively shallow as well.

Just checked ICM wizard, yes it's definitely a fold. Shover would have to be opening around 45% of his range to make it a profitable call. Based on a standard 22% shoving range, you're calling: 88+ and AJ+. Personally I think that range is really too tight, but that's what it suggests.

*Edit 2*

See that this is a 9man turbo on stars. Do you play these a lot? What's your name on there? I'll watch out for ya, since I pretty much grind them exclusively.

     
  11-Aug-12, 23:23   #4
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sadamman 

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Its a 2 table 9 seater. My nick is sadamman.

With this one when I weigh up the pros and cons of calling its weighted way more to call I reckon. Already itm. K10 suited, good hand against pretty much anything. Blinds are so big and my stack is so short I've already committed like 9% of it. He was throwing his chips around as soon as it was itm aswell, so was the other guy.

     
  11-Aug-12, 23:48   #5
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ayaraled 
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Fold.In this situation if they are throwing chips at each other, let the other guy bust...wait for a really
strong hand like QQ+. Its likely your K10 is not good against 2 opponents...Of course, your already 3rd place but I rather shove with K10s rather than calling shove from a big stack....

So how did this hand turn out?did you win the all in?

     
  12-Aug-12, 00:36   #6
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awood88 
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At first glance it's an instant call cos the blinds are so high but then it's not simple as it looks. Final three the money goes up pretty steeply and unless you typically win 4 out of 5 games you want to get a high finish to be making a good profit. As the middle stack is also less than 10 bb, you should really be fighting for that extra place rather than settling for itm and playing '"risk free" poker.

So with that in mind no decision should be instant. It depends on how the big stack is playing but you're probably better off folding to any player who isn't a maniac. He could be trying to put pressure on both of you but if the bb calls half his stack is at risk so I doubt he will be pushing lightly. Even a fairly aggressive player will probably play K9 and up, Q9 and up, maybe J10. He could also push a medium + pocket pair or A rag, in which case you are racing but your tourney's on the line, making it plus equity for him and poor equity for you. A lot of hands will dominate you, even KJ, so it's better to shove two low cards than to call with two mediocre high cards.

     
  12-Aug-12, 01:16   #7
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Jibberish 

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i wouldve made the call, just sayin, i aim for 1st, if i have to go out in 3rd instead of 2nd oh well its worth the shot

     
  12-Aug-12, 02:12   #8
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jovicakralj 

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You have 5 bb and big stack push from button. Plus you are already in money I guess. Yup, its clear call for me. If you dont get monster in next few hands you will be blinded out or get it in with worse hand.

     
  12-Aug-12, 04:34   #9
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retribution 

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Posted by jovicakralj:
You have 5 bb and big stack push from button. Plus you are already in money I guess. Yup, its clear call for me. If you dont get monster in next few hands you will be blinded out or get it in with worse hand.


Well it depends on what big stacks range is like. If he's uber aggressive(like he should be since he's big stack) then I think K10 COULD be a good call, since you'll be ahead of most of his range. Like I said in my previous post though, he'd have to be shoving around 45% to make it profitable, and even then it's pretty thin value. At least according to SNG wiz anyways. One shortfall the program has however, is it doesn't take into consideration what future rounds will be like so I can agree that it'd be a sound call if you disregard the ICM aspect(which sometimes is something you have to do).

The problem is, even if you make the call and win a flip, stacks will be around even and with blinds so steep, everyones still only got 10BB. Conversely, if you fold and BB calls, you'll double your prize and end up heads up, albeit at a significant disadvantage stack-wise. I still don't hate a fold here, as I'd rather be the shover than the caller with this kind of hand.


     
  12-Aug-12, 07:23   #10
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TheMachineQC 

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I wouldn't say it's a snap call, it's more like a crying call. Cause you know you're probably behind against an race rag or pocket pair, but you know K10s is a good hand 3 handed.

There is definetly a lot of suited hands that you're ahead of. Big stack could be stealing, gambling, not caring much ect. The thing is: if you fold, are you gonna get a better hand in the next 3 hands?

Personally I would never fold there, it's just one of those spots where you know it's risky but you have to gamble to win. If you're dominated, then I would say you're unlucky considering the situation.

     
  12-Aug-12, 08:46   #11
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sadamman 

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I will post the results later. There's a few other reg's who's opinions would be interesting to hear.

     
  12-Aug-12, 09:20   #12
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shokaku 

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You have only 5 big blinds left, and your hand is above average. So it is an easy call here. We just don't have the time to wait for a much better hand here.

     
  12-Aug-12, 09:22   #13
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doomdy 

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Mostly i call 100% here, must have some sick read to fold here.
Suited are nuts anyway so...... Agree

     
  12-Aug-12, 09:28   #14
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pochui 

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i would call just because you have to take risk sooner or later with small stack of yours, and you never know- you just might not get anything better than these cards, plus you are in the money (if its a regular payout) so you will not lose your buyin. i would call. i have a feeling that he had a small ace...update this for pure interest

     
  12-Aug-12, 09:33   #15
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sadamman 

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I'll post the results now. But first a bit of introspective...

I think this was 100% the right call. My gut was also telling me to fold. Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! I can't fold if its the right thing to do. Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! But as you quite often find out poker is not about who was right and who was wrong or who made the better play.

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*** FLOP *** [8d 7s 8c]
*** TURN *** [8d 7s 8c] 6 of hearts
*** RIVER *** [8d 7s 8c 6h] Queen of spades
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sadamman: shows [Td Kd] (a pair of Eights)
ElJeyT: shows [9c 7d] (two pair, Eights and Sevens)
ElJeyT collected 10074 from pot
sadamman finished the tournament in 3rd place and received $4.75.
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10074 | Rake 0
Board [8d 7s 8c 6h Qs]
Seat 4: ElJeyT (button) showed [9c 7d] and won (10074) with two pair, Eights and Sevens
Seat 7: sadamman (small blind) showed [Td Kd] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 8: dplfc83 (big blind) folded before Flop

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Fucking retards Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  12-Aug-12, 09:36   #16
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doomdy 

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Well played from both players Thumbs Up

     
  12-Aug-12, 09:38   #17
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shokaku 

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Don't look just at the result of the hand. You made the right play here. This will pay off in the long run. Better luck next time.

     
  12-Aug-12, 09:41   #18
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sadamman 

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I didn't go on tilt luckily. I would of if I wasn't itm. But I maybe wouldn't have called then. I just hate getting beat by hands like that. I can hack 97 suited in that spot but not offsuit it infuriates me.

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Sorry don't know if "hack" is slang. But in this sense of the word it means: to cope with

Edited by sadamman (Sunday, August 12, 2012 @ 09:49 GMT)


     
  12-Aug-12, 09:52   #19
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shokaku 

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The big stack will most likely shove any two cards in such a situation. And if he isn't unlucky, he will have around 40% if he gets called.

     
  12-Aug-12, 11:50   #20
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awood88 
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I guess you were right to call if this was how loose the big stack was playing but he's still 35% to win the hand and will have still have more chips than you if you win. you would typically stand to earn 50% more money by gaining one more place so I don't see it as a 100% call.

In this case I don't think being short should bother you as much. You could argue you need to shove in the next three hands anyway but in reality you'll normally have chances to steal and better situations. I'm not saying you played badly but I believe there is a strategy to maximise your profit when shortstack and itm.

For instance, last night I played a 100 man $10+1 turbo. Starting the final table no one had more than 9bb. At the last five I was in first with just over 10bb but by the final 3 I was in the position of the op, maybe less than 5bb in fact and playing against one player who had more than double my stack. I held on and won second place. First hand heads up, we were almost even in chips and he instantly went all-in. I quickly called with something in the region of K9 and his pocket 5s held up. By the end I knew it was going to come down to luck as we were so short but along the way I made several close calls.
I folded A10 cos someone went all-in before me who nearly had my stack. If I lost I would have been put all-in in the next two hands and if I won I wouldn't even get to double up so I folded and waited for a better spot. I shoved Q8 from the small blind when I had the bb covered by 5bb cos I knew he'd want an ace to call. Unfortunately he had A2, which held. It was a very different final table to how I'd be comfortable playing.

     
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