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If you dont slow play pocket Kings do you slow play pocket Aces? Cause if you are going to go all in preflop which hand would you prefer to go with, the Kings or Aces? Or you never go all in preflop?
Now I don't know what kind of game you are playing, but thats NOT slowplaying KK. Whatever way you want to look at it.
And what I cannot understand is why you somehow think that by betting bigger, you may have won the hand. He had the better hand the entire time.. Do you seriously think he was going to lay down AA if you'd gone all in pre flop, or after the turn or river.
The whole thread is a laughable joke, and then you sit and berate someone else for mentioning that somewhere in your own warped and twisted head, you seem to think this was a bad beat.
It wasn't a bad beat. It wasn't bad play on your part, it wasn't bad play on his part. It was simply a case of you having pocket kings and coming up against AA. S**t happens.. get over it. You were always going to lose, and nothing you can say or do is going to change that.
So wind your neck in and rather than berate others for being a micro stakes player, remember you are here because you needed free money to play with, and you like everyone else is posting to try build up some points so you can cashout some money and have something to play with.
The fact you come from Australia and haven't got money to play with says more about you than the bloke from Lithuania. You can deposit anytime and have money to play with but you don't you rely on free money off here just the same.
This is PokerStars you're talking about. It is fairly typical for the Cody wanna-be types to open 3x with shrapnel, never mind A-rags or a real hand. By 3 betting, the villain hoped to get some idea of where he stood. No A came on the board so it seems to me that it is reasonable for them to figure they're good. As others have said if he had gone all-in pre-flop the result would have been just the same so in reality your chosen title is poor. Maybe "Look at how I beat KK with my AA" would have been better.
Posted by HenryMinute: This is PokerStars you're talking about. It is fairly typical for the Cody wanna-be types to open 3x with shrapnel, never mind A-rags or a real hand. By 3 betting, the villain hoped to get some idea of where he stood. No A came on the board so it seems to me that it is reasonable for them to figure they're good. As others have said if he had gone all-in pre-flop the result would have been just the same so in reality your chosen title is poor. Maybe "Look at how I beat KK with my AA" would have been better.
Why would he say "look how I beat KK with my AA" when he had KK and lost to AA
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Posted by fcumred:
Posted by HenryMinute: This is PokerStars you're talking about. It is fairly typical for the Cody wanna-be types to open 3x with shrapnel, never mind A-rags or a real hand. By 3 betting, the villain hoped to get some idea of where he stood. No A came on the board so it seems to me that it is reasonable for them to figure they're good. As others have said if he had gone all-in pre-flop the result would have been just the same so in reality your chosen title is poor. Maybe "Look at how I beat KK with my AA" would have been better.
Why would he say "look how I beat KK with my AA" when he had KK and lost to AA
Redvulture the guy who posted the hand history was the one with aces.
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I just played a game on 888 and within 10 hands AA and KK came up in the same hands twice. Both times both players went all in, KK bet first on both occasions and AA won each one with trip A's.... the odds are pretty fantastic for this to happen so regularly.
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Posted by damosk: I just played a game on 888 and within 10 hands AA and KK came up in the same hands twice. Both times both players went all in, KK bet first on both occasions and AA won each one with trip A's.... the odds are pretty fantastic for this to happen so regularly.
But if it doesn't happen again in the next 500 hands then everything has evened out. Randomness is inherently, for want of a better word, clumpy . If those hands were distributed evenly that would be a sure indication that it is indeed not random.
You can't draw any conclusions from a sample of ten hands.
your lucky that he only had pocket kings.what if its the other way. He got pocket aces and you got pocket kings and he shove on the river....what would you do?anyway the results will be the same...he was unlucky that he ran into aces with his kings....
Posted by HenryMinute: This is PokerStars you're talking about. It is fairly typical for the Cody wanna-be types to open 3x with shrapnel, never mind A-rags or a real hand. By 3 betting, the villain hoped to get some idea of where he stood. No A came on the board so it seems to me that it is reasonable for them to figure they're good. As others have said if he had gone all-in pre-flop the result would have been just the same so in reality your chosen title is poor. Maybe "Look at how I beat KK with my AA" would have been better.
Why would he say "look how I beat KK with my AA" when he had KK and lost to AA
Redvulture the guy who posted the hand history was the one with aces.
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You are an apsolute moron. I was on the one with the Aces he had the kings you idiot so how was that worse?. He was a calling station playing like 70% of hands who i noted as a person who overplays there hands so shoving the river was perfectly justified.
I had a strong read that i stood to have the best hand a large percentage of the time so i shoved knowing it be EV+ over the longterm. As Daniel negranue once said always trust your first reads because they stand to be correct 90% of the time.
You fish don't understand basic poker and all level 1 thinkers and think that limping pocket aces and kings allowing people into the pot is optimal way to play these hands because you can get more value from it which is flawed logic. However, would you expect anything less from people who are menbers of this site who spend most of their days prowling the internet for freeroll passwords all day? No ofcourse not thats why there freeroll players. Anyone who think i played that hand wrong is a fish.
Now i know that not all people on this forum are like this are there are actually a few decent level 3 thinking players but these a few and far between and consist of about 1% of the members here. However, i would say atleast 90% of players here are fish and that is a conservative estimate.
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Posted by Redvulture61: You are an apsolute moron. I was on the one with the Aces he had the kings you idiot so how was that worse?. He was a calling station playing like 70% of hands who i noted as a person who overplays there hands so shoving the river was perfectly justified.
I had a strong read that i stood to have the best hand a large percentage of the time so i shoved knowing it be EV+ over the longterm. As Daniel negranue once said always trust your first reads because they stand to be correct 90% of the time.
You fish don't understand basic poker and all level 1 thinkers and think that limping pocket aces and kings allowing people into the pot is optimal way to play these hands because you can get more value from it which is flawed logic. However, would you expect anything less from people who are menbers of this site who spend most of their days prowling the internet for freeroll passwords all day? No ofcourse not thats why there freeroll players. Anyone who think i played that hand wrong is a fish.
Now i know that not all people on this forum are like this are there are actually a few decent level 3 thinking players but these a few and far between and consist of about 1% of the members here. However, i would say atleast 90% of players here are fish and that is a conservative estimate.
I always find it very funny when someone abuses people for beeing a member of a/this forum and playing freerolls when they are members themselves. So why are you a member of this forum ? Just for being so generous to teach all members here your poker wisdom ?
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A more realistic example of the dangers if slow playing kings
Table #46987063 - Tournament #26706243 Table #2 Starting Hand #2181094848 Start time of hand: 03 Oct 2012 07:05:28 Last Hand #2181094553 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: TOURNAMENT Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS Blinds are now 10 / 20 Button is at seat 4 Seat 1: Archibaldus - 2,500 Seat 2: kindancer - 2,500 Seat 3: TanguitoFeroz - 1,986 Seat 4: AnnaMOSCOW - 2,390 Seat 5: AAwolfAA - 2,470 Seat 6: bbpaul - 3,154 Seat 7: PensionPlan - 2,500 Seat 8: paulorgb - 2,500 Seat 9: Bane67 - 2,500 Shuffling Deck Moving Button to seat 5 bbpaul posts small blind (10) PensionPlan posts big blind (20) Dealing Cards Dealing to PensionPlan paulorgb folds Bane67 calls 20 Archibaldus folds kindancer folds TanguitoFeroz folds AnnaMOSCOW calls 20 AAwolfAA folds bbpaul raises to 60 PensionPlan calls 60 Bane67 did not respond in time and is folded Bane67 folds AnnaMOSCOW calls 60 Pot sizes: 200 Dealing Flop bbpaul bets 80 PensionPlan calls 80 AnnaMOSCOW folds Pot sizes: 360 Dealing Turn bbpaul bets 140 PensionPlan calls 140 Pot sizes: 640 Dealing River bbpaul checks PensionPlan bets 640 bbpaul calls 640 Pot sizes: 1,920 PensionPlan shows PensionPlan has Two Pairs: Aces, 6s bbpaul shows bbpaul has Two Pairs: Kings, 6s PensionPlan wins 1,920 with: Two Pairs: Aces, 6s Seat 1: Archibaldus - 2,500 Seat 2: kindancer - 2,500 Seat 3: TanguitoFeroz - 1,986 Seat 4: AnnaMOSCOW - 2,330 Seat 5: AAwolfAA - 2,470 Seat 6: bbpaul - 2,234 Seat 7: PensionPlan - 3,500 Seat 8: paulorgb - 2,500 Seat 9: Bane67 - 2,480 End of Hand #2181094848
------------ since the player raised pre flop i thought he didnt have a 6 or queen was putting him on a middle pair, and thought i could of got hom to fold later on, obviously his king were good till the river but i wasnt aware of this at the time. please note i did not go all in on the river with just a pair of aces lol
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Don't get the OP position. The board was really nice for KK.. for slowplay or fastplay. He just ran into aces, GL next time. This is not a very good example to why ppl should slowplay or not great hands. It's not a slowplay anyways, you 3bet which puts alot of people away of the play, giving him already good odds to play the hand. Shoving is fine but, poker is not all about shoving. You can play KK without shoving if you like, i would probably 3bet there but it's okish to do as he did. Anyways he was never letting it go with that board.. he could have lost the minimum tho if he did which would make the slowplay profitable.
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Posted by takingdrugs: A more realistic example of the dangers if slow playing kings
Table #46987063 - Tournament #26706243 Table #2 Starting Hand #2181094848 Start time of hand: 03 Oct 2012 07:05:28 Last Hand #2181094553 Game Type: HOLD'EM Limit Type: NO LIMIT Table Type: TOURNAMENT Money Type: TOURNAMENT CHIPS Blinds are now 10 / 20 Button is at seat 4 Seat 1: Archibaldus - 2,500 Seat 2: kindancer - 2,500 Seat 3: TanguitoFeroz - 1,986 Seat 4: AnnaMOSCOW - 2,390 Seat 5: AAwolfAA - 2,470 Seat 6: bbpaul - 3,154 Seat 7: PensionPlan - 2,500 Seat 8: paulorgb - 2,500 Seat 9: Bane67 - 2,500 Shuffling Deck Moving Button to seat 5 bbpaul posts small blind (10) PensionPlan posts big blind (20) Dealing Cards Dealing to PensionPlan paulorgb folds Bane67 calls 20 Archibaldus folds kindancer folds TanguitoFeroz folds AnnaMOSCOW calls 20 AAwolfAA folds bbpaul raises to 60 PensionPlan calls 60 Bane67 did not respond in time and is folded Bane67 folds AnnaMOSCOW calls 60 Pot sizes: 200 Dealing Flop bbpaul bets 80 PensionPlan calls 80 AnnaMOSCOW folds Pot sizes: 360 Dealing Turn bbpaul bets 140 PensionPlan calls 140 Pot sizes: 640 Dealing River bbpaul checks PensionPlan bets 640 bbpaul calls 640 Pot sizes: 1,920 PensionPlan shows PensionPlan has Two Pairs: Aces, 6s bbpaul shows bbpaul has Two Pairs: Kings, 6s PensionPlan wins 1,920 with: Two Pairs: Aces, 6s Seat 1: Archibaldus - 2,500 Seat 2: kindancer - 2,500 Seat 3: TanguitoFeroz - 1,986 Seat 4: AnnaMOSCOW - 2,330 Seat 5: AAwolfAA - 2,470 Seat 6: bbpaul - 2,234 Seat 7: PensionPlan - 3,500 Seat 8: paulorgb - 2,500 Seat 9: Bane67 - 2,480 End of Hand #2181094848
------------ since the player raised pre flop i thought he didnt have a 6 or queen was putting him on a middle pair, and thought i could of got hom to fold later on, obviously his king were good till the river but i wasnt aware of this at the time. please note i did not go all in on the river with just a pair of aces lol
........Errrrrrrr. Raise preflop. Bet the flop. Bet the turn. Check the Ace river.
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Posted by pochui: i remember i told u this before, but probably you forgot this, so here's a friendly reminder: you are a fcukin idiot stop crying about your losses and go find yourself a job
Well I have to agree with pochui, Redvulture has no manners at all.
Just keep on treating everyone with respect.
And for the pocket KK :
if you do a big raise or reraise preflop and the others fold it s a certain win.
If your raise is called or reraised watch out for Aces on the table.
I prefer to play several cheap calls with lower starting hands and hope to hit on the flop than go all-in with pocket KK or pocket QQ
to PensionPlan
