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Posted by teddybears73:
Posted by retribution: ...and continue to incur my flaming.
Posted by pochui: incur flaming in your *ass
LOL pochui,are you tony-g in disguise.
shhhh i don't want others to find this out
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Posted by Greenmohave: Personally don't think Pochui would poop on anyone
actually i'm seriously thinking about pooping on retribution
Posted by Greenmohave: I have several $50 cashins worth of Mobpoints in which I can't use at this time. Admin would have to do the work, but what's up? You hearing me Pochui!
ok now getting back to serious stuff- i've already mentioned you could organize a tourney with your points as the prizepool. we are organizing christmas brm home game, and it was supported by brm with 5000 mobpoints. next those points where withdrawn to my moneybookers account & now i will distribute this money via player to player transfer for the winners. something similar could work in your case- any amount of points you decide to donate for your tourney could be withdrawn to any "non pooping" brm'er, who can later withdraw it to his e-wallet & upload back to pokerstars as prize funds (& distribute them accordingly). i believe that if you pick this route some slice of your points could be transferred back in your moneybookers account- since i doubt there are any restrictions to us people on using using this payment method... so lets have a look at the example: you decide to donate $2 for the tourney- admin withdraws 200 mobpoints from your account & adds to "friendlynigerianscammer"' account he then withdraws these point to his e-wallet, has $2 there- sends $1 to your e-wallet account & uses the 2nd $ for the tourney...
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Posted by magatt966: anyway the sheriff it's not me consider me amongst the ones who might stake you
why would anyone want to stake me- i am really poor player, so very good odds that i would lose the money in the blink of an eye. but really thanks for good intentions.
p.s. i can offer you same options as i did for RoninHarper, maybe you are interested in them, again no obligations of any kind- you can easily skip this offer without even replying to it:
* i will stake 5 players in our upcoming "official christmas home game" with the bare buyin of $0.11, if you want you can join onboard adding them an option to make 1 rebuy or addon (adding another $0.50 to the initial stake) * you can donate a much or as little to our christmas home game- there are plenty of brm'ers who already pledged to give some cash for the tourney, and brm supported it with $50 too.
hope you can make it to the tourney too
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Posted by Mober: For example i believe its permitted if someone considers a BRM member a winning player and would like to invest in his/her game, and asks to stake that player.
yeah it's what you could call a win-win situation. still i think those players who are winners in the long term rarely do need the staking at all. for example jovicakralj would be a good investment for sure...
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Posted by Administrator: If someone "new" comes along asking for staking, or someone asking in an unserious matter, he/she is most likely going to not only get shot down by other members, but also be taken apart, buried, dug up again, then thrown in the ocean, pulled up again and finally their remains will be fed to who ever is hungry.
i guess it's no big deal if you end up getting staked for $0.11
Posted by Administrator: If someone serious/regular asks for staking, or is offering staking, then we might just see through it, as long as it's not becoming something that will take over the forum.
ok point understood- i guess then i will go on then with the staking of 5 players for the christmas freeroll. this is probably gonna be a one time "act of stupidity", so i don't see this taking over the forum in the long run
Posted by Administrator: And of course we still don't allow posting e-mail addresses/skype etc in the forum.
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Posted by pochui:
Posted by teddybears73:
Posted by retribution: ...and continue to incur my flaming.
Posted by pochui: incur flaming in your *ass
LOL pochui,are you tony-g in disguise.
shhhh i don't want others to find this out
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Posted by Greenmohave: Personally don't think Pochui would poop on anyone
actually i'm seriously thinking about pooping on retribution
Posted by Greenmohave: I have several $50 cashins worth of Mobpoints in which I can't use at this time. Admin would have to do the work, but what's up? You hearing me Pochui!
ok now getting back to serious stuff- i've already mentioned you could organize a tourney with your points as the prizepool. we are organizing christmas brm home game, and it was supported by brm with 5000 mobpoints. next those points where withdrawn to my moneybookers account & now i will distribute this money via player to player transfer for the winners. something similar could work in your case- any amount of points you decide to donate for your tourney could be withdrawn to any "non pooping" brm'er, who can later withdraw it to his e-wallet & upload back to pokerstars as prize funds (& distribute them accordingly). i believe that if you pick this route some slice of your points could be transferred back in your moneybookers account- since i doubt there are any restrictions to us people on using using this payment method... so lets have a look at the example: you decide to donate $2 for the tourney- admin withdraws 200 mobpoints from your account & adds to "friendlynigerianscammer"' account he then withdraws these point to his e-wallet, has $2 there- sends $1 to your e-wallet account & uses the 2nd $ for the tourney...
Okay Pochui! I apprecaite this feedback, but I just spoke with monebookers and what would work best for me is, if anyone I stake was playing on Carbon poker or Merge Network they'd be able to transfer or put money in my account. I would actually investigate cashing out $150 to $200 in Mobpoints, split the money down the middle to where whomever I did this with or for could put my 50% in my account and keep their 50%. Don't know how this would actually take place wiithout fully investigating, but it would be worth while to an honest person to assist me in addressing.
Like Admin state's though, it's my risk!
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Posted by magatt966: anyway the sheriff it's not me consider me amongst the ones who might stake you
why would anyone want to stake me- i am really poor player, so very good odds that i would lose the money in the blink of an eye. but really thanks for good intentions.
p.s. i can offer you same options as i did for RoninHarper, maybe you are interested in them, again no obligations of any kind- you can easily skip this offer without even replying to it:
* i will stake 5 players in our upcoming "official christmas home game" with the bare buyin of $0.11, if you want you can join onboard adding them an option to make 1 rebuy or addon (adding another $0.50 to the initial stake) * you can donate a much or as little to our christmas home game- there are plenty of brm'ers who already pledged to give some cash for the tourney, and brm supported it with $50 too.
hope you can make it to the tourney too
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Posted by Mober: For example i believe its permitted if someone considers a BRM member a winning player and would like to invest in his/her game, and asks to stake that player.
yeah it's what you could call a win-win situation. still i think those players who are winners in the long term rarely do need the staking at all. for example jovicakralj would be a good investment for sure...
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Posted by Administrator: If someone "new" comes along asking for staking, or someone asking in an unserious matter, he/she is most likely going to not only get shot down by other members, but also be taken apart, buried, dug up again, then thrown in the ocean, pulled up again and finally their remains will be fed to who ever is hungry.
i guess it's no big deal if you end up getting staked for $0.11
Posted by Administrator: If someone serious/regular asks for staking, or is offering staking, then we might just see through it, as long as it's not becoming something that will take over the forum.
ok point understood- i guess then i will go on then with the staking of 5 players for the christmas freeroll. this is probably gonna be a one time "act of stupidity", so i don't see this taking over the forum in the long run
Posted by Administrator: And of course we still don't allow posting e-mail addresses/skype etc in the forum.
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Posted by pochui: ok point understood- i guess then i will go on then with the staking of 5 players for the christmas freeroll. this is probably gonna be a one time "act of stupidity", so i don't see this taking over the forum in the long run
THat's the thing. If you're playing poker and you make a bold move and you get away with it - you're a hero! If you get called and you lose, you're stupid.
Besides, what I was referring to is not if you're offering staking, but if somebody is asking and other people are warning against staking that guy, and you still go ahead and lose your money - that's stupidity.
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Posted by thefly131: jsut wondered what would happen if somebody started such a thread....
It depends mostly on the situation (so it will be judged on a case by case basis), and a little on my mood as well. That's just how it is when working in "gray areas", that's why I wrote it's best just to avoid it, to be safe.
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well I will remember it ... as I do not want to give up my BRM-life here.
But living on the edge makes life more exciting
By the way, I am thinking of a holiday in the Meditarean area this Summer.
I ve never been in Malta yet, would you recommend it and what s the best place to book a hotel there (Valletta, Sliema or St Julians ..) Would be nice to have some inside information
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Sliema/St Julians are just next to each other, and I'd probably pick one of those areas if I were you. They are the tourist areas, so you can't go wrong there, just make sure to research the hotels etc. to make sure you get what you expect in terms of service and quality.
But overall it's easy to get around because the island is so small. Takes longer and more cumbersome with bus but if you don't mind paying a taxi, it doesn't take long to travel.
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Ugh seriously Admin, you're going to regret saying that. The forums already have several threads a week begging for stakes as it is, and now you're basically openly green-lighting it.
Look, the reason I get so bent out of shape, is I'm SICK of people whining and crying about how they need money. It's a FREE BANKROLL site, ie: this site GIVES people FREE money. If you can't make a roll out of what they offer, then I think people need to seriously re-think what they are doing. Obviously if you keep going broke, you suck at poker. It's not bad beats, or stupid calls, or anything else. People need to ACCEPT that, and take the steps necessary to become good at poker.
In the good old FT forum days, I staked lot's of people, and also invested in tonnes of BAPS. They were fun, and for the most part I always got my money back. I did get rolled on a few times, but that's just the risk I took. I always made sure that the people I gave money to where at least willing to listen to advice, and show genuine interest in improving their game.
What I DON'T respect is people who can't take accountability for their actions, and instead try and fill the forums with useless bs no one wants to see. These forums should be used to help each other get better, not give out free money to people who can't even play winning poker.To me, it's just a waste of everyones time.
There ARE some people here that I'd have NO problem giving money to in a heartbeat, because they take the time to help people, offer advice, and show genuine interest in learning. But I'll be damned if I want to see someone with 3 posts in their lifetime here begging. It makes me so furious.
The best idea I could possibly offer, is to make a sub-section specficially for staking/baps etc, that way it doesn't cross over into the main threads.
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Retribution for what it's worth I agree with you. But, you need to pick your targets. Nobody has asked for a stake on this thread nor have any of the contributors asked for a stake on any other thread.
Save your wrath for those that deserve it and stop flaming indiscriminately every time you see the word stake. It's making you look like an a*****e.
Oh, and it's not your place to offer any compromise. You are just a regular forum member like the rest of us.
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Posted by zeroster: Retribution for what it's worth I agree with you. But, you need to pick your targets. Nobody has asked for a stake on this thread nor have any of the contributors asked for a stake on any other thread.
Save your wrath for those that deserve it and stop flaming indiscriminately every time you see the word stake. It's making you look like an a*****e.
Oh, and it's not your place to offer any compromise. You are just a regular forum member like the rest of us.
But I am an a*****e, so I guess that works out
True, I can't offer compromises, so I changed my post. The best IDEA I can offer is the sub-forum.
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Posted by retribution:
But I am an a*****e, so I guess that works out
Well that's ok then
Seriously though, you have a valid point but in this thread you're yelling at totally innocent people. If you we're choosing valid targets I'd be backing you all the way.
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Posted by zeroster:
Posted by retribution:
But I am an a*****e, so I guess that works out
Well that's ok then
Seriously though, you have a valid point but in this thread you're yelling at totally innocent people. If you we're choosing valid targets I'd be backing you all the way.
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Posted by retribution: Ugh seriously Admin, you're going to regret saying that. The forums already have several threads a week begging for stakes as it is, and now you're basically openly green-lighting it.
No I didn't. Everything is as it was before tonight. If there are staking threads and they get reported to us, then we will look into it and make a decision on a case by case basis, like I said. Also like I said, it's best just to avoid the whole staking game in our forum, if you want to be safe.
wow this topic is as hot as the bot one we had last December. Guess it's better to offer than to ask and to be safe not bother at all. Sub forum is a good idea as those interested in that aspect (like minded) of the game can negotiate terms and deals there. Is an offer to give someone funds as a friendly gesture the same as a stake...thinking here they are separate and completely different events. Staking imo is a business proposition, an offer is more or less a gift to do with as one see fit with no strings attached. There have been members here in the recent past that have given freely of there own money to other members. Two members I know of for sure as they gave me some funds and at that time there wasn't a problem. The two events should be kept separate and begging definitely not tolerated.
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Posted by retribution:
Well let's go find us some wabbits then.
I'll pass on that if you don't mind. I've got more important things to do than actively hunting people that are asking for stakes. More important things such as scratching my arse or picking my nose.
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Posted by zeroster:
Posted by retribution:
Well let's go find us some wabbits then.
I'll pass on that if you don't mind. I've got more important things to do than actively hunting people that are asking for stakes. More important things such as scratching my arse or picking my nose.
Slight sarcasm obviously missed. It's not as if I actively seek people to flame, in fact I usually try and bite my tongue believe it or not. But again, it's had to be tolerant of annoying behavior when it's repeated ad nauseum.
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Posted by retribution:
Posted by zeroster:
Posted by retribution:
Well let's go find us some wabbits then.
I'll pass on that if you don't mind. I've got more important things to do than actively hunting people that are asking for stakes. More important things such as scratching my arse or picking my nose.
Slight sarcasm obviously missed. It's not as if I actively seek people to flame, in fact I usually try and bite my tongue believe it or not. But again, it's had to be tolerant of annoying behavior when it's repeated ad nauseum.
I'm English, we don't miss sarcasm no matter how slight. Obviously mine was too subtle for you.
It's all good mate, just having a bit of fun while trying to lighten the mood and diffuse a potential flame war.
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Posted by retribution: Ugh seriously Admin, you're going to regret saying that. The forums already have several threads a week begging for stakes as it is, and now you're basically openly green-lighting it.
no he doesn't- actually admin clearly stated that it is better to avoid it. however in some circumstances staking can be tolerated- now that basically means "we hate it, but maaaybe we will let you squeeze through the fence a couple of times"- certainly far from giving the green light.
Posted by retribution: There ARE some people here that I'd have NO problem giving money to in a heartbeat, because they take the time to help people, offer advice, and show genuine interest in learning. But I'll be damned if I want to see someone with 3 posts in their lifetime here begging. It makes me so furious.
now that's exactly why this question has been raised in the first place- there are circumstances when staking/ being staked is a goon deal for everyone, or just a nice initiative with no roi expected (just a nice gesture)- still even in those cases it was unclear whether this can be done without breaking the rules: that's why i started this thread in the first place
Posted by retribution: The best idea I could possibly offer, is to make a sub-section specficially for staking/baps etc, that way it doesn't cross over into the main threads.
yeah a subforum for staking would be nice, but in fair i doubt this is such a big issue- yeah we see some threads popping up asking for staking from time to time...so what, most of the time they are ignored, or "subtly discouraged"...not a big deal imo
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Posted by retribution: But I am an a*****e
whatever floats your boat
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Posted by rbdflyboy: Guess it's better to offer than to ask and to be safe not bother at all.
yeah this pretty much sums up everything written here
Posted by rbdflyboy: Is an offer to give someone funds as a friendly gesture the same as a stake...thinking here they are separate and completely different events. Staking imo is a business proposition, an offer is more or less a gift to do with as one see fit with no strings attached.
neat twist to the original topic...but yeah have to agree- i've received a couple of "staking" offer here, and to be fair none of them were real staking offers- guys just wanted to give something back to me "for my community work"- so this would qualify for a gift offer more than staking...think showing a friendly gesture shouldn't get one into trouble over the staking related questions...
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Posted by zeroster: It's all good mate, just having a bit of fun while trying to lighten the mood and diffuse a potential flame war.
words of wisdom from the island
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Posted by zeroster: More important things such as scratching my arse or picking my nose.
why would anyone want to stake me- i am really poor player, so very good odds that i would lose the money in the blink of an eye. but really thanks for good intentions. 
