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  14-Apr-13, 21:27   #1
Top Shark +2 
crash58 
Joined: Oct '08
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I don't know if you have heard of top shark , but it keeps the player profiles of every player at poker stars. it tells you all the tournaments they have played and how they finished ,all you have to do is google their nic and it will come up.so I see a player who cashed out some good coin in 2009, a couple of cashes in 2010. but nothing since. his biggest cash in the the last 10 tourney's is $2.98 , but he's willing to take a friends vacation money and hope to have a good time. A person who would take a friends vacation money to fuel his gambling habits is not a person I would like to deal with.

     
  14-Apr-13, 21:34   #2
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JWRowell 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 217
I love top shark, its a great tool.
Who's the guy in question? Just some random guy you came across?

     
  14-Apr-13, 21:47   #3
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Bigritefoot 

Joined: May '12
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 181
It's ok as long as you know their Stars ID (or whichever site they are using!)

My ID is the same everywhere but i think plenty of mobsters use different ID on different sites.

My online stats aren't anything great (i don't think) but up until this last month i didn't really bother as i tend to play live more.

I suppose it's all relative Big Smile

     
  14-Apr-13, 21:51   #4
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crash58 
Joined: Oct '08
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read the forum and you will know why I don't agree

     
  14-Apr-13, 21:52   #5
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Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 39 (M)
Posts: 1022
Hi crash58,

OMG, you are telling the truth. I searched google and I found it. I saw my 10 tournamets at Full Tillt Poker and PokerStars also. But why this program is created? To see the winnings of the players or what is the purpose of it?

Is this program legal? I searched at the PokerStars forbidden and accepted programs but thisone I didn't find anywhere at the PokerStars list.

I forgot my winnings, so I saw it at Top Shark. Smile

Regards,
Peter7878

     
  14-Apr-13, 21:57   #6
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JWRowell 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 217
Yeah its completely legal. You can "opt out" so your info isnt shown on the site (topshark)

Alot of people use it to look up people they play against alot, or to look up some players at their table. Generally to see if their a winning or losing player and get an idea of how they may play.

     
  14-Apr-13, 22:08   #7
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Peter7878 

Joined: Dec '12
Location: Bulgaria
Age: 39 (M)
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Hi JWRowell,

Very interesting. I have never heard about top shark untill today.

So, I want to ask is this true that there are some programs that you can see opponent cards. I saw some YouTube videos, but I think it is fake.

But is this true, that there are players who use programs to see the others cards? What do you think about it?


Regards.
Peter7878

     
  14-Apr-13, 22:57   #8
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JWRowell 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 25 (M)
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Posted by Peter7878:
Hi JWRowell,

Very interesting. I have never heard about top shark untill today.

So, I want to ask is this true that there are some programs that you can see opponent cards. I saw some YouTube videos, but I think it is fake.

But is this true, that there are players who use programs to see the others cards? What do you think about it?


Regards.
Peter7878


In regards to "hole card" type software. As far as i know well established brands like pokerstars take huge measures to make sure this cant happen. All processing is done on their servers, secured and encrypted. They also never transfer private data "hole card info" to anyone.
They also have no special admin accounts for staff to see hole cards.

The reason i say "well established" brands is because back in Jan/Feb of 2008, Ultimate Bet fell victim to some users discovering a fault in the software, which allowed them access to an admin type account - in which they could see others hole cards.

I think you will enjoy this article! "Super-User Scandel - Ultimate Bet"
***link removed by admin due to forum rules***

In general gambling servers of well known establishments are so well secured and encrypted that the chances of someone being able to make this type of program is slim to none.

Much like in the case of UB, it would have to be some sort of insider account. Even then, most poker networks dont allow these type of accounts to even exsist for safety reasons.


Let me know what you think of the article!
Smile

Edited by Administrator (Monday, April 15, 2013 @ 05:09 GMT)


     
  15-Apr-13, 03:37   #9
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takingdrugs 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 744
Posted by Peter7878:
Hi JWRowell,

Very interesting. I have never heard about top shark untill today.

So, I want to ask is this true that there are some programs that you can see opponent cards. I saw some YouTube videos, but I think it is fake.

But is this true, that there are players who use programs to see the others cards? What do you think about it?


Regards.
Peter7878



i do beleive that years ago there was a pokersite that posted there algarythm to show that it was fair and not rigged and couldnt be cheated, a group of programers then set out to make a gui that took the hole cards and the flop, combined with the possible time or system clock at the start of the hand and the stated algarythem to givve a fairly accurate predicton of the turn and river cards (mabee even other players hole cards), they did it to prove that it can be done and submitted there findings to the pokersite.
needless to say the algarythem was changed and pokersites no longer provide this information.
i could be miss informed about this but if it was correct then this was in the early days of online poker and the sites nowerdays use much better algarythems and dont publically post the code for there rng.

if such software was available then somone would eventually prove there was cheating going on and the cheats would not get away with it in the end, thats what happened with the ultimate bet scandal, a player raised concerns after someone was making all the right moves at the right time, never gettng bad beats , and calling down bluffs with terrible cards alot but never ever losing.




     
  15-Apr-13, 03:47   #10
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saynothing 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 55 (F)
Posts: 589
Hey guy's, I think the situation at U.B was a internal issue where a ex-employee knew how to hack there security system, witch then used to his advantage, witch is self explanatory.

I have on the other hand never heard about algarythm, I am understanding in the early stages of the rng development some real smart people were able to decode this pattern?....but are no longer able to after improvements WOW, I learn something new every day incredible

     
  15-Apr-13, 03:51   #11
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takingdrugs 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 744
back on topic.
never heard of top shark before, iv always used sharkscope, my stars sharkscope is terrible but bear in mind it only covers a count of 200 odd games, most of which were me donking off remaining funds between homegames or tryng to sat into the UKIPT, home games by the way are not counted on sharkscope so i guess that would be the same on top shark.

     
  15-Apr-13, 03:58   #12
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saynothing 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
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yeah Back to a topic I am not interested in peace out guys Blink

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actually on second thought, staying on topic of course, I am curious who Crash58 is referring to as I feel it is something the rest of us forum people need to know

Edited by saynothing (Monday, April 15, 2013 @ 04:02 GMT)


     
  15-Apr-13, 04:05   #13
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 5680
Mmmmmmmmmmmmm.... I wonder if the tax man knows anything about this Top Shark site... lol...

I guess they'd have to know your username,...but if they did,...they could calculate how much in tax you owe them,...and how long you will spend in jail for not claiming your winnings... Big Smile

     
  15-Apr-13, 04:06   #14
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takingdrugs 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 744
Posted by saynothing:
I have on the other hand never heard about algarythm

algarythems (i probably spelt wrong lol) are just equations used to generate the random numbers, i computer its self cant make a random number, so you take a number from somwhere like say the date times it by X add the hour divide it by Y and take add the minuite in the time (just an example) gives you a ramdom number to work with, but you could stick a tracking device on a cat or somthing and use them numbers and the end result would be entirely unpredictable.


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Posted by saynothing:
actually on second thought, staying on topic of course, I am curious who Crash58 is referring to as I feel it is something the rest of us forum people need to know


sunday millions thread

Edited by takingdrugs (Monday, April 15, 2013 @ 04:10 GMT)


     
  15-Apr-13, 04:11   #15
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
Posted by takingdrugs:
Posted by Peter7878:
Hi JWRowell,

Very interesting. I have never heard about top shark untill today.

So, I want to ask is this true that there are some programs that you can see opponent cards. I saw some YouTube videos, but I think it is fake.

But is this true, that there are players who use programs to see the others cards? What do you think about it?


Regards.
Peter7878



i do beleive that years ago there was a pokersite that posted there algarythm to show that it was fair and not rigged and couldnt be cheated, a group of programers then set out to make a gui that took the hole cards and the flop, combined with the possible time or system clock at the start of the hand and the stated algarythem to givve a fairly accurate predicton of the turn and river cards (mabee even other players hole cards), they did it to prove that it can be done and submitted there findings to the pokersite.
needless to say the algarythem was changed and pokersites no longer provide this information.
i could be miss informed about this but if it was correct then this was in the early days of online poker and the sites nowerdays use much better algarythems and dont publically post the code for there rng.

if such software was available then somone would eventually prove there was cheating going on and the cheats would not get away with it in the end, thats what happened with the ultimate bet scandal, a player raised concerns after someone was making all the right moves at the right time, never gettng bad beats , and calling down bluffs with terrible cards alot but never ever losing.







Actually there is a legitimate way to use a program to see other peoples hole cards and I am being serious too (this has happened / probably still happens).

It's easy: You distribute some software and claim it allows people to see other peoples hole cards. But really the program is a Trojan, which notifies you of the victims IP address and when they're logged on. This program then reports back the victims hole cards to the person who distributed the software. That person then plays the victim, knowing their hole cards.


So it's kind of ironic; the person who tries to cheat by downloading cheat software, is the one that gets scammed Blink

     
  15-Apr-13, 04:12   #16
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saynothing 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 55 (F)
Posts: 589
YEAH ok sounds on the difficult side to fully comprehend, but I got the basic understand of what you mean, I think ..... so I will goggle it and read more on this and hopefully understand algarythm AKA RND .....hey maybe I can find some kind of pattern and become a millionaire lol

     
  15-Apr-13, 04:13   #17
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jessthehuman 

Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 32 (M)
Posts: 6441
By the way, the word is 'algorithm'.

I'd be interested to see an article regarding what you're talking about TakingDrugs. It would have to be a pretty weak algorithm if people were able to use it to predict cards.

     
  15-Apr-13, 04:15   #18
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saynothing 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 55 (F)
Posts: 589



So it's kind of ironic; the person who tries to cheat by downloading cheat software, is the one that gets scammed Blink [/QUOTE]

LOL. I guess Karma really is a b itch sometimes ehh.............HAHAHAHA

     
  15-Apr-13, 04:15   #19
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RoninHarper 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 4440
Posted by crash58:
I don't know if you have heard of top shark , but it keeps the player profiles of every player at poker stars. it tells you all the tournaments they have played and how they finished ,all you have to do is google their nic and it will come up.so I see a player who cashed out some good coin in 2009, a couple of cashes in 2010. but nothing since. his biggest cash in the the last 10 tourney's is $2.98 , but he's willing to take a friends vacation money and hope to have a good time. A person who would take a friends vacation money to fuel his gambling habits is not a person I would like to deal with.


G'day mate

Thank you for that, you made me laugh.
The way you slandered me without actual coming right out and saying my logon name was priceless.
I would point out to you however, that like many players I play on several sites.
Also like many players, I use more then one nick name on different sites.
In fact I use 4 different poker alias on several sites.
Why is obvious to all serious players, several of whom I know are doing the same thing.
I do not want everyone one to be able to know who I am on every site I play.

One more very important thing about your slanderous remarks. In your last line you accuse me of taking my friends vacation money and wasting it to fund my own poker habits.

Well Amigo just for the record I did NOT take the money which was offered to me and I did NOT ask anyone for money or a stake to gamble with.

In the future before making such hurtful and misguided and unfounded accusations about other people perhaps you should try to get your facts staight by asking a few questions.

I wish you all the best.

Ronin

Edited by RoninHarper (Monday, April 15, 2013 @ 04:25 GMT)


     
  15-Apr-13, 04:16   #20
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takingdrugs 

Joined: Nov '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 33 (M)
Posts: 744
il try and find the article

Edited by takingdrugs (Monday, April 15, 2013 @ 04:22 GMT)


     
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