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  5-Sep-14, 10:14   #1
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DDPascalDD 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 508
Yesterday I ran very deep in the $0,02 SnG, for a while I stood in the first place! It contains 990 players and here's the payoutlist:

1 $4,40
2 $3,30
3&4 $2,20
5&6 $1,10
7&8 $0,50
9&10$0,25
11-50$0,10

I was already very happy to be ITM but I finished after a long period, kept living because of the surviving tactic, as 5th!

I now have a bankroll of $1,14 and I want to ask for your advice, especially the ones from PS: what tourneys should I play? According to a good bankrollmanagement, I was thinking of the $0,10 SnG's. I could too play the $0,02 still but it has a tiny payout range of just 5%. I want to play MTT's, are there any for a good buy-in?

     
  5-Sep-14, 10:47   #2
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
I wouldnt really worry about bankrollmanagement with this kind of BR. BRM only comes in mind if the BR isnt easily replaceable.
If however u want to use any BRM then 0.02s is the only thing you can play properly.

     
  5-Sep-14, 10:51   #3
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Twistyoursou 

Joined: Jan '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 271
I used to play on a bankroll like that Big Smile Dude just go for the big money. Try to have 2 buy ins so that you don't spend it all once Big Smile

Edited by Twistyoursou (Friday, September 05, 2014 @ 10:55 GMT)


     
  5-Sep-14, 10:55   #4
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superthight 

Joined: Jan '13
Location: Philippines
Age: 50 (F)
Posts: 752
surely is

     
  5-Sep-14, 10:59   #5
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DDPascalDD 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 508
Ok, thanks for your comments. I think I will go on playing those $0,02 and sometimes playing at some higher buy ins which will be $0,10 or something.

     
  5-Sep-14, 11:00   #6
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Twistyoursou 

Joined: Jan '14
Location: Portugal
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 271
Have fun Big Smile That's basically all that matters at that stage Big Smile If you ever get around to getting a higher bankroll, then proceed with more caution and treat poker a little bit more as a "business" ;D

     
  5-Sep-14, 11:17   #7
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marqis 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Netherlands
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 1631
I would just play at a site that offers better freerolls, and make a bankroll that way. Or at least supplement your bankroll that way. You can't realistically manage a $1.14 bankroll.

Once you do have a bankroll make sure you try to find the best deals (bonus offers, rakeback and promotions), to further increase that bankroll by making loyalty points.

     
  5-Sep-14, 11:51   #8
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erru9107 
Joined: Oct '11
Location: Sweden
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 910
I actually started out with a bankroll like that. What I did was making sure that I always had 10 BI's for each level until I reached a $10 bankroll. After that I started applying some real BRM. That means 50 BI's for SnG's, 100 for MTT's and 100 for CG's.

Using that strategy, I'm currently looking at a ~$30 bankroll and over $2500 in total withdrawals. Sure, it's been over the course of 5 years, but hey, still a profit and a decent bankroll.

     
  5-Sep-14, 12:00   #9
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lukasb 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Croatia
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 1735
I think there's a $0.10 mtt running at least once ( Might be twice but I'm not sure) a day at stars with a $50 guaranteed prize pool.
I've tried it a couple of times for the kicks and the field does grow to some 3 or 4k players which increase the pay table exponentially.
Unfortunately ( or fortunately depending on the view) your roll isn't enough to try any kind of management imo.
Either continue playing those 0.02 and pray for another "big" result or go for a bigger entry tourney and with a bit of luck ull hit big again... this time for a more substantial reward.
GL!

     
  5-Sep-14, 12:17   #10
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DDPascalDD 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 508
Posted by erru9107:
I actually started out with a bankroll like that. What I did was making sure that I always had 10 BI's for each level until I reached a $10 bankroll. After that I started applying some real BRM. That means 50 BI's for SnG's, 100 for MTT's and 100 for CG's.

Using that strategy, I'm currently looking at a ~$30 bankroll and over $2500 in total withdrawals. Sure, it's been over the course of 5 years, but hey, still a profit and a decent bankroll.


I think I'll try that, it looks like a decent income and maybe I can take some more risks like 50 buy ins for mtt's. That seems like enough to me.

     
  5-Sep-14, 12:42   #11
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Skpmorita 
Joined: Feb '14
Location: Tunisia
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 2076
if i was on your spot , i would take that 1.14$ and go play micro cash game 0.01-0.02
but of course you do what makes you comfortable , good luck buddy and may the poker gods be with you

     
  5-Sep-14, 12:57   #12
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pokershark74 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 831
I agree at that bankroll it is not so important to play in your proper range I would suggest the 11 cent MTT's they run every day they usually have a good size player field and the prizes for top 3 are pretty descent for an 11 cent buy in.

     
  5-Sep-14, 13:07   #13
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LIKEIT27 
Joined: Jul '08
Location: Netherlands
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 704
Posted by BeMyATMplz:
I wouldnt really worry about bankrollmanagement with this kind of BR. BRM only comes in mind if the BR isnt easily replaceable.
If however u want to use any BRM then 0.02s is the only thing you can play properly.



Agree Thumbs Up

     
  5-Sep-14, 13:11   #14
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RoninHarper 

Joined: Nov '12
Location: Canada
Age: 48 (M)
Posts: 4440
G'day mate

Congratulations on your final table finish mate. Thumbs Up
You still do not really have enough bankroll to worry about proper bankroll management.
I recommend you just play the $0.10 or $0.11 mtt's on PStars.
Your main goal right now should just be to have fun and worry about bankroll management once you have a larger amount to work with.
best of luck to you
be cool

Ronin Cool

     
  5-Sep-14, 14:38   #15
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DDPascalDD 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 508
Posted by RoninHarper:
G'day mate

Congratulations on your final table finish mate. Thumbs Up
You still do not really have enough bankroll to worry about proper bankroll management.
I recommend you just play the $0.10 or $0.11 mtt's on PStars.
Your main goal right now should just be to have fun and worry about bankroll management once you have a larger amount to work with.
best of luck to you
be cool

Ronin Cool


I just did one of them, the $150 gtd. $0,11 (0,10 + 0,01) and I finished exactly as bubble boy!!! Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap! Hit PC

I'll just try to build up with those.

     
  5-Sep-14, 14:49   #16
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pokershark74 

Joined: Feb '11
Location: Canada
Age: 27 (M)
Posts: 831
I have bubbled a couple myself Thumbs Down but if it was your first go still not bad in a MTT you should be focusing on a deep finish not bubble. The pre bubble period is when good tournament players steal blinds and antes and take advantage of those just trying to make the money.

     
  5-Sep-14, 15:01   #17
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DDPascalDD 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 508
Posted by pokershark74:
I have bubbled a couple myself Thumbs Down but if it was your first go still not bad in a MTT you should be focusing on a deep finish not bubble. The pre bubble period is when good tournament players steal blinds and antes and take advantage of those just trying to make the money.


Yes I know and I did that, I always do. This time I went all-in because I was focussing (maybe too much) on a high prize and called all-in

     
  5-Sep-14, 15:46   #18
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xdomagojx 

Joined: Sep '10
Location: Croatia
Age: 28 (M)
Posts: 399
Posted by DDPascalDD:
Yesterday I ran very deep in the $0,02 SnG, for a while I stood in the first place! It contains 990 players and here's the payoutlist:

1 $4,40
2 $3,30
3&4 $2,20
5&6 $1,10
7&8 $0,50
9&10$0,25
11-50$0,10

I was already very happy to be ITM but I finished after a long period, kept living because of the surviving tactic, as 5th!

I now have a bankroll of $1,14 and I want to ask for your advice, especially the ones from PS: what tourneys should I play? According to a good bankrollmanagement, I was thinking of the $0,10 SnG's. I could too play the $0,02 still but it has a tiny payout range of just 5%. I want to play MTT's, are there any for a good buy-in?


I'm losing player by choice. I'm profitable in sngs but i don't play them cause they don't excite me. Believe it or not. So i'll give you same advice i received but i listened only for short period. [get's boring after a week]

You obviously have no experience in poker since playing with such silly amounts isn't rly poker just ICM.

So follow these rules and you'll do fine:

1. AVOID TURBOS if you dont have experience. - IT's most important rule no matter what you think about your skill. Variance is huge there so just don't do it or you'll be banging your head a lot and go bust pretty soon.
2. Deposit 25$
3. Start with 0.25$ 90man sngs (regular 15 min blinds) (25$ is the bankroll for 0.25 sng's so you don't go bust)
4. Play tight solid poker until FT
5. Grind till you end up with 125$ (you should earn 3-5$ per 10 tournaments you played - note you might lose 10 in a row then win 2 in a row so keep being motivated)
6. Move up to 1.50$ KO 90 mans
7. Grind till you move up to 250$

Main thing here is to stick to just that. Don't play 0.55 HOT cause you have 0.55 to spare. Don't play 1$ MTT just cause you won an SNG, don't go to cash table, focus ONLY on single game type.
Then if you are doing the right things you should earn around 20-30$ per 8 tournaments (my stats) and think about moving to 1$ 180 mans and later on 4.50$ 180mans

You're welcome, cheers.

p.s. You have to multitable all of them (4 tables would be minimum, 6 maximum)

     
  5-Sep-14, 16:55   #19
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
Posted by xdomagojx:
Posted by DDPascalDD:
Yesterday I ran very deep in the $0,02 SnG, for a while I stood in the first place! It contains 990 players and here's the payoutlist:

1 $4,40
2 $3,30
3&4 $2,20
5&6 $1,10
7&8 $0,50
9&10$0,25
11-50$0,10

I was already very happy to be ITM but I finished after a long period, kept living because of the surviving tactic, as 5th!

I now have a bankroll of $1,14 and I want to ask for your advice, especially the ones from PS: what tourneys should I play? According to a good bankrollmanagement, I was thinking of the $0,10 SnG's. I could too play the $0,02 still but it has a tiny payout range of just 5%. I want to play MTT's, are there any for a good buy-in?


I'm losing player by choice. I'm profitable in sngs but i don't play them cause they don't excite me. Believe it or not. So i'll give you same advice i received but i listened only for short period. [get's boring after a week]

You obviously have no experience in poker since playing with such silly amounts isn't rly poker just ICM.

So follow these rules and you'll do fine:

1. AVOID TURBOS if you dont have experience. - IT's most important rule no matter what you think about your skill. Variance is huge there so just don't do it or you'll be banging your head a lot and go bust pretty soon.
2. Deposit 25$
3. Start with 0.25$ 90man sngs (regular 15 min blinds) (25$ is the bankroll for 0.25 sng's so you don't go bust)
4. Play tight solid poker until FT
5. Grind till you end up with 125$ (you should earn 3-5$ per 10 tournaments you played - note you might lose 10 in a row then win 2 in a row so keep being motivated)
6. Move up to 1.50$ KO 90 mans
7. Grind till you move up to 250$

Main thing here is to stick to just that. Don't play 0.55 HOT cause you have 0.55 to spare. Don't play 1$ MTT just cause you won an SNG, don't go to cash table, focus ONLY on single game type.
Then if you are doing the right things you should earn around 20-30$ per 8 tournaments (my stats) and think about moving to 1$ 180 mans and later on 4.50$ 180mans

You're welcome, cheers.

p.s. You have to multitable all of them (4 tables would be minimum, 6 maximum)



Some good advice here but also some false facts:

- It's not "just ICM", there is no ICM in SNGs until FT or on the bubble. Everything bedies that is chipEV mode, thus, pure "poker", no matter if the players playing these are very bad.

- Variance at the $0.25 non turbos is considerbly low, nowhere any "huge"

- $3-$5/10 games longterm is unrealistic except for very good players, however, if a player is very good they wouldn't be playing these stakes. They're very good for learning tournament poker though, however I wouldn't expect a player being able to maintain 100%+ ROI to grind them.

- you earn $20/8 games (translates to $2.50/game or 166% ROI) at $1.50 KOs? That's 3 times the winrate of the top leaders of sharkscope leaderboard, so highly doubt it (i.E. please don't b******t yourself).

- why would OP "have to" multitable them? And especially such a tiny range or number of tables? Especially for learning purposes 4 tables might already be too much, especially if he has 2 or 3 deep runs at the same time this might be too much for a player trying to learn.
As soon as,however, he has understood the basics I see no reason why not to play 12 or even more at ocne if he can handle it, so I don't know where your estimation of 6 tables max. comes from, I play 25-30 tables in at winrates 80% of other regs in my games who play way less tables can't reach. Everyone is different. To some 4 tabling might feel like 20 tabling does for me (I for instance would get bored playing less than 10 at minimum, while others have troubles handling half of that).


Like I said, some nice advise as well so please don't take the post offencive (except for the stuff about winrates, that's just false), however OP might get a wrong understanding of the stuff explained or wrong expectations, so it's worth pointing out


EDIT: @ Pascal, the point of playing $0.25 90 man non turbos was a very good point though. Especially if you want to play MTTs, with a field of 90 players it basicly plays like a MTT, and they are very good for learning perspectives. So I'd definitely recommend you to deposit some (I'd say 10€ are enough, considering the very slow structure there will be pretty low swings) if you can afford it and start grinding these. $0.02 hypers you will grind forever till you have a BR that allows you to play any other games comfortably.

     
  5-Sep-14, 17:19   #20
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Heskor 
Joined: May '13
Location: Mauritius
Age: 25 (M)
Posts: 2659
My advice is to deposit at least 10 dollars or so and play as you will not do well as you have just 1 dollars and will always play scarce money or play too low games that will give you peanuts for the waste of time. Get some cash in and start playing good games without fear of losing the money. I tried this before and played with 1 dollars busted it real soon , no motivation for peanuts money. You could also play freerolls till you get 10 dollars and then start playing MMTS! Cheers good luck mate at the tables!

     
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