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  8-Feb-15, 16:48   #1
Leaving Pokerstars...need advice! +1 
CanadianAces 
Joined: Jan '15
Location: Canada
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 38
Ive decided that pokerstars may be rigged..
http://fuckpokerstars.com/

I cant seem to get ahead on this site. And the website above seems to make me skeptical since ive been on stars for a few years now and cant seem to make a profit no matter how much or where I study to play this game.

Soooooo,... ive decided to play somewhere else. But which sites are fair and player friendly and don't have so many crappy river beats or suckouts vs monster hands?

Im contemplating 888poker or partypoker,...and maybe just maybe duck poker.

What would you guys do? Where would you invest your money if you played micro cash games or micro sitngos?

     
  8-Feb-15, 16:50   #2
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3026
Pokerstars isnt rigged... just improve your gameplay and will see Thumbs Up

     
  8-Feb-15, 16:56   #3
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demodawggy 

Joined: Feb '12
Location: Canada
Age: 56 (M)
Posts: 5577

...Well,...there certainly isn't any 'rigtards' in Canada,....so the gentleman must be correct in his assumption about PokerStars being rigged....! Big Smile Thumbs Up

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:08   #4
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xgcsnippy 

Joined: Jan '13
Location: Canada
Age: 38 (M)
Posts: 1066
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12929212_...

yea well this makes me seem things are fishy, the villian kept hitting hands like this every time he shoved with garbage...

such bs!


     
  8-Feb-15, 17:10   #5
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CanadianAces 
Joined: Jan '15
Location: Canada
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 38
Posted by StheP:
Pokerstars isnt rigged... just improve your gameplay and will see Thumbs Up


Have u checked out the website I posted along with my post? I have been working on my game. If u check my stats on poker prolabs this year I have a winning record the micros. Its strange but when I try to move up it breaks me back down again. You cant tell me that the game play changes that much for the .50 to the 1.50 games. Plus I have a hard time being tight and watching a new guy sit in a table just as I get AA, he pushes all in first hand with j3s and hits a flop of j9j to beat me and take my stack. I get kk someone has AK or AA. QQ I run into KK. Its at the point where I can see the beats coming. That's not fair poker to me.

And if Im wrong and it really isn't rigged then fine,...but its time to try another site just to see for myself

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Posted by xgcsnippy:
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12929212_...

yea well this makes me seem things are fishy, the villian kept hitting hands like this every time he shoved with garbage...

such bs!



That's exactly what im talking about

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:14   #6
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Rivelinho 
Joined: Sep '09
Location: Germany
Age: 53 (M)
Posts: 52
Hello Canadian ,
made exactly the same experience with pokerstars ....read all FL books ever written, analyzed#hands , produced top top Holdem Manager stats and even 1 year ago a trainer said, that i must win long run with my play and skill on MIcros !!! on any site...

as a result i had long run one of badert results of all players on Fixed limit at Stars, although i know and can alot: playing bettin lines, equity, fold equity odds, defense, resteal... and so on



leak buster from holdem manager find only one !!! small leak in small blind defense !

result at pokerstars and reward for good play : always lose lose lose also long run on Micros !!
bc on stars always the players qith vpip 84; PFR 1 win all days all sessions all tables and next day "players2 with otehr name and same stats take your money with irreal bad beats


total rigged site is Stars in my eyes, they operate with own "players" shells room workers to 100 %

more irreal bad beats then normal hands always...



now i beat with same game and skill 2/4 $ !!!!!!!!!!!!!! on Carbon Poker and 888 and in i pokekr iam BE on 0.50/1 $


proof for me that stars is rigged , i could play like a "champ" , bt you have no chance if your account is set to : cheat him...robb him out...

for your site ask, Duck is a joke only 1or 2 tables !!! cash game looolll

i like Winner poker (ipoker) , the vip system is ten times better then Stars for Micro and low stakers and easy you cna revert points to real cash

fg and good luck

Rivelinho

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:16   #7
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PokerKing76 

Joined: Dec '11
Location: Canada
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 746
I play on all site you mention and in order I trust Partypoker, 888 and full tilt.

The advantage with full tilt, you can transfer to pokerstars if you want to try again Blink

For me all pokersites are rigged in some way Blink just my opinion Worship

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:16   #8
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pinotte 
Joined: Jun '13
Location: Canada
Age: 72 (M)
Posts: 3445
If you think that pokerstars is rigged than all other poker sites are so any where you gonna go you will get the same unlucky beat on the river.

Its very simple all sites have their calling sdtation and caause there are so many of that kind they win hit very often when its not one its the other.

If you play good poker you should get around and not losing money but for sur you will have your bad moments like everybody else and then come back better.

Anyway if you decide to change dont take the last one you mentionned and good luck. Worship Worship

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:20   #9
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3026
Posted by CanadianAces:
Posted by StheP:
Pokerstars isnt rigged... just improve your gameplay and will see Thumbs Up


Have u checked out the website I posted along with my post? I have been working on my game. If u check my stats on poker prolabs this year I have a winning record the micros. Its strange but when I try to move up it breaks me back down again. You cant tell me that the game play changes that much for the .50 to the 1.50 games. Plus I have a hard time being tight and watching a new guy sit in a table just as I get AA, he pushes all in first hand with j3s and hits a flop of j9j to beat me and take my stack. I get kk someone has AK or AA. QQ I run into KK. Its at the point where I can see the beats coming. That's not fair poker to me.

And if Im wrong and it really isn't rigged then fine,...but its time to try another site just to see for myself

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Posted by xgcsnippy:
http://www.boomplayer.com/en/poker-hands/Boom/12929212_...

yea well this makes me seem things are fishy, the villian kept hitting hands like this every time he shoved with garbage...

such bs!




That's exactly what im talking about

we know about this site, it was posted here few months ago... and its completly bullsht... if you think its rigged, there is channel on youtoube "magic" that guy also think pokerstars is rigged, and he put some bad beats... but the truth is that pokerstars isnt rigged, that is just bad beat... like its inposible to lose with aces, but it isnt... It happend in almoust 40% of time statisticly which means that your shoves with aces only win 2/3 times... little less, but when you lose with aces you think its rigged...

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:38   #10
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jeffaboy 
Joined: Jan '14
Location: Netherlands
Age: 20 (M)
Posts: 856
Posted by CanadianAces:
Ive decided that pokerstars may be rigged..
http://fuckpokerstars.com/

I cant seem to get ahead on this site. And the website above seems to make me skeptical since ive been on stars for a few years now and cant seem to make a profit no matter how much or where I study to play this game.

Soooooo,... ive decided to play somewhere else. But which sites are fair and player friendly and don't have so many crappy river beats or suckouts vs monster hands?

Im contemplating 888poker or partypoker,...and maybe just maybe duck poker.

What would you guys do? Where would you invest your money if you played micro cash games or micro sitngos?


Maybe work more on your gameplay first , then try another site like Tilt or 888 , i would recommend you not to play at duck since they are one big joke , and poopypoker allways has a lot of s**t going on with buggs etc so i wouldnt invest my cash there either

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:44   #11
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BeMyATMplz 
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 23 (M)
Posts: 1854
The website you posted is totally BS. These are sore players who have no clue about the game itself.
If their "findings" were true, why didn't they put up a screenshot of their database rather than typing it up?

If you can't beat $1.50s on stars while studying the game then you won't beat SNG poker on any site (sorry if that sounds harsh, but I find realisticly $1.50s are beatable with very little work already, maybe you use the wrong sources to study?).
I played over 52K SNGs on stars and wouldn't have done so if I ever believed it was rigged, even with multiple 100BI downswings I suffered, this can happen you on any site (on partypoker for example there can be a lot worse because their turbo structure is even faster than on stars -> more variance).
It's poker and simple math in terms of variance.

I mean, you can try and switch sites, but sooner or later you will hit a bad streak on there and think about the same about that pirticular site, it happens everywhere..

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:45   #12
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CanadianAces 
Joined: Jan '15
Location: Canada
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 38
wow so many quick replys!

I figured it would be 50/50 on wether its rigged or not. But wether it is or isn't really doesn't matter ,..I personally have been there 2 years and more off and on and never run so bad for so long. Its time for me to take my money somewhere else and that's what im gonna do. I was just looking to see what site comes out on top of the ones ive listed or if theres better ones ive never heard of.

If I don't change my luck no one will do it for me. I know im not a fishy player and that's good enough for me to know my results aren't ordinary running bad. I understand acess win a certain amount etc. Its the timing of big hands and them feeling like a set up. Ive had enough of stars plain and simple,....on o the next one!

Thank you all for the great replys

     
  8-Feb-15, 17:52   #13
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 1372
Do you really believe that Stars chooses to rig the game to benefit a certain set of players and to screw over another set?

Think about it. Why would they?

     
  8-Feb-15, 18:05   #14
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CanadianAces 
Joined: Jan '15
Location: Canada
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 38
Posted by zeroster:
Do you really believe that Stars chooses to rig the game to benefit a certain set of players and to screw over another set?

Think about it. Why would they?


Remember BLACK FRIDAY? The shutdown Fulltilt and and few other. What happened to ultimate bet? After that happened I believe anything is possible

     
  8-Feb-15, 18:22   #15
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crash58 
Joined: Oct '08
Location: Canada
Age: 58 (M)
Posts: 2423
After black friday, ultimate bet/absolute poker closed because they had no players left. as for pokerstars being rigged,NOT, they are a mutli-billion dollar company, they could never take the chance of rigging the game.( and they make so much money. why would they rig it) the site you posted is full of crap. with the millions of hands being dealt hourly on stars, of course they can find some bad beats.

     
  8-Feb-15, 18:25   #16
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pajalnick 

Joined: Mar '11
Location: Russian Federation
Age: 44 (M)
Posts: 2368
Interesting opinion. I stopped playing on PokerStars for another reason: too many bad players who put everything and sometimes they are lucky. Now I play on FullTilt and scares me is the fact that they belong to PokerStars ...

     
  8-Feb-15, 18:27   #17
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CanadianAces 
Joined: Jan '15
Location: Canada
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 38
well the one that stands out for me is the quad kings on the flop. Villian goes all in with nothing but AQs and ends up getting a royal flush on the next two cards. The odds of that happening are astronomical and totally unbelievable

     
  8-Feb-15, 18:28   #18
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zeroster 

Joined: May '11
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 51 (M)
Posts: 1372
There's a saying that states you can't reason a person out of a position he hasn't reasoned himself into. I guess it applies here.

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Posted by CanadianAces:
well the one that stands out for me is the quad kings on the flop. Villian goes all in with nothing but AQs and ends up getting a royal flush on the next two cards. The odds of that happening are astronomical and totally unbelievable


I've actually won against quad aces with a royal flush playing live in a self dealt tournament. You saying that was rigged?

Oh and the player with the quads was dealing.

This is going to happen on every site. Either accept it or for the sake of your own sanity stop playing altogether.

Edited by zeroster (Sunday, February 08, 2015 @ 18:32 GMT)


     
  8-Feb-15, 18:33   #19
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CanadianAces 
Joined: Jan '15
Location: Canada
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 38
hey im not saying theres zero merit to what you say. But my gut says a change of scenery is needed Smile ....absolutely anything is possible so,..... !!

     
  8-Feb-15, 18:33   #20
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StheP 

Joined: Oct '14
Location: Serbia
Age: 26 (M)
Posts: 3026
Posted by CanadianAces:
well the one that stands out for me is the quad kings on the flop. Villian goes all in with nothing but AQs and ends up getting a royal flush on the next two cards. The odds of that happening are astronomical and totally unbelievable

I wached on youtube clip about tournament on pokerstars... It was down to last 2 players, and one had KK, flop comes out KTT, and I think other player goes all in he call, river and turn were TT and all in player win with A8... that was realy bad beat, but it happend...

     
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