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ESPN releases new podcast about Phil Ivey's edge sorting case

Tags: edge sorting, Kelly Sun, Phil Ivey
Posted on Wednesday, July 26, 2017 by "T".
Phil Ivey has been fighting against the Crockfords Casino in London and Borgata Casino in New Jersey in a court battle since 2012. The podcast gives us a closer look at these two cases. Of course, no one ever likes to lose millions worth of money, especially the casinos. That is the most important point from ESPN's 30 for 30 podcast about Phil Ivey and his companion Kelly Sun who "took" millions [...]   Read more » ESPN releases new podcast about Phil Ivey's edge sorting case

  26-Jul-17, 18:54   #1
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Gerimantas 
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This is a very interesting story and the situation ivey is now having with thus casino, I think it will be very hard to make casino to oay the money, because they have very much money can have best lawyers and have contact with politicians so ivey can have problems I think.

     
  26-Jul-17, 19:17   #2
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CALICUL 
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There are many cases in casinos where the winners of big prizes they did not receive the money. They invented all kinds of excuses not to pay those players. In the case of ivey and the other player they found this method. But when they wash away dirty money in their casinos? t's like you said in the comment. His friends... Too many casinos in this world. Much corruption

     
  26-Jul-17, 19:42   #3
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Mober 
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What i see here is more reasons not to give them the money.
The whole thing was planned ahead, with even personal requests about dealers etc.
I doubt they will get somewhere with it.
Now by reading this i thing the judges have more reasons to say no.

     
  26-Jul-17, 20:19   #4
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pochui 

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i personally see this whole situation just as an exploit that ivey and his colleague used to the max and what is most important here, there is nothing illegal they have done, the whole situations arisen only from the careless mistakes made by the casino and it's employees.

     
  26-Jul-17, 20:22   #5
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shokaku 

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Mober, I see it the other way. The players didn't break any rules here, and the casinos agreed to the terms of play. If they took losses that way, they should just pay up, and change their procedings in the future. It is not the job of the courts, to cover the business risk of casinos.

     
  27-Jul-17, 06:48   #6
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doubletop777 
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I find this story fascinating and i cannot wait to see how it plays out. In my opinion, Phil Ivey should be paid out the full amount because i cannot see how he broke any of the rules

     
  27-Jul-17, 16:42   #7
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pajalnick 

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Posted by shokaku:
Mober, I see it the other way. The players didn't break any rules here, and the casinos agreed to the terms of play. If they took losses that way, they should just pay up, and change their procedings in the future. It is not the job of the courts, to cover the business risk of casinos.

Unfortunately the casino will probably be the winner in this business .... of course many people think (and I'm including) that Phil Ivey is right and if the casino made a mistake then his problems ... because if a player commits mistakes then no one returns money to him

     
  27-Jul-17, 20:26   #8
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Mober 
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They didnt go to a table, sat down, saw what was going on with the cards and started
manipulating the whole thing.
They conspired in the first place. They had it planned...

If you went to crack the safe here in brm and you could see, for some reason, or bug,
call it however you like, one of the three numbers, do you think that brm would pay you?
They have this warning : Malfunction and attempts to cheat voids all play and pays! Smile
I guess something like that applies everywhere Smile

     
  28-Jul-17, 16:46   #9
 
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  28-Jul-17, 17:30   #10
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pajalnick 

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Posted by Mober:
They didnt go to a table, sat down, saw what was going on with the cards and started
manipulating the whole thing.
They conspired in the first place. They had it planned...

If you went to crack the safe here in brm and you could see, for some reason, or bug,
call it however you like, one of the three numbers, do you think that brm would pay you?
They have this warning : Malfunction and attempts to cheat voids all play and pays! Smile
I guess something like that applies everywhere Smile

It seems to me that there is a slightly different situation ..... if the casino could not protect its interests, then it's only his problems .... if you made a mistake and lost your money in a casino then the casino will not return money to you ... I'm for Phil

     
  28-Jul-17, 20:51   #11
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Mober 
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I take it like they did protect their interests. Dont you think so?
They found out what was going on, and they refused to pay them. Smile
Better later than never, dont they say.
They tried to take them for fools, but it didnt quite work for them,
since they never managed to get that money on their hands.

     
  29-Jul-17, 20:16   #12
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av1966 
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hello my friends and fellow mobsters

This one is a hard won on one side his the casino take care of there interest and once they track and disclouse the situation they put a alt to it on the other side is Ivey that found a wickness in the system and explore it

On the old time Las Vegas he would be taken for a ride in the desert

     
  29-Jul-17, 21:07   #13
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Mober 
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That might be true with the desert Smile
They had other rules back then.
You never know, they may still be happening in some places.
That was making you think even more times, what you are about to do.

     
  30-Jul-17, 12:45   #14
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pochui 

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i'm not sure about this thing at all, i've read what mober thinks of this situation and i personally think quite the opposite but this separation of opinions just shows that this is quite delicate situation that can be interpreted very differently. will be interesting to hear more on this.

     
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