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‘The Queen of Sorts’ says imperfections of Gemaco cards are irrelevant in Borgata case

Tags: baccarat, Chen Yin Sun, edge sorting, Phil Ivey
Posted on Friday, September 15, 2017 by "T".
The case of Phil Ivey versus Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa on the baccarat dispute takes another whole new plot twist after the playing card manufacturer Gemaco reminds the court of a significant revelation that came from Chen Yin Sun, dubbed the Queen of Sorts, and mainly Ivey's sidekick/companion that helped him win $9.6 million at the baccarat tables in 2012. The Gemaco cardsThe Borgata Hot[...]   Read more » ‘The Queen of Sorts’ says imperfections of Gemaco cards are irrelevant in Borgata case

  15-Sep-17, 07:34   #1
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doubletop777 
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This case keeps rumbling on and we are no closer to a verdict. I think that the casino has acted very shabbily and Phil Ivey simply outwitted them and exploited a flaw in the system

     
  15-Sep-17, 08:02   #2
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CALICUL 
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If I were a judge i would win the case for the two players Phil Ivey and Chen Yin Sun because it is not their fault. They came to play in the casino and playing with Borgata Hotel Casino & Spa cards from Gemaco. The guilty is the casino because he did not notice the imperfections of cards and players must remain with the money.

     
  15-Sep-17, 11:31   #3
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pochui 

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well fcuk yeah, the longer this case drags on the more I have the feeling that mr. ivey is going to be screwed majestically here and may even end up losing some of this not so hard earned dollaros in the process. another example of the classic line that the house always wins.

     
  15-Sep-17, 14:37   #4
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shokaku 

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Not much meat on that bone. A lot of assumptions, but no real news in this article. We have to wait for the rulings of the higher courts, but i have my doubts, if they will be different from the ones already made.

     
  15-Sep-17, 16:57   #5
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pajalnick 

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this situation of course makes me angry .... if the casino can not properly manage their affairs and admit such situations, it seems to me that the casino itself is to blame ... and if you could win a lot of money then of course you should not disclose the secret of winning. ... in the end, such garbage

     
  15-Sep-17, 18:36   #6
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Mober 
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She stated that the specific brand was not the one that game them the advantage?
Cause she can do that with any deck?
And how that can be helpful for their case?
The only thing she managed to do with the "bragging" was to probably, get them banned from
more casinos, in the future.

     
  15-Sep-17, 20:00   #7
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damosk 
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I was only reading this morning about how people who comment on social media, forums etc about active and ongoing court cases, can lead themselves to getting into very big trouble. So the only thing I have to say on this is I await the outcome to see what the court thinks of this case. Until then!!!!!!!!!!!!! Confused

     
  15-Sep-17, 23:05   #8
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bowie1984 

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Posted by doubletop777:
I think that the casino has acted very shabbily and Phil Ivey simply outwitted them and exploited a flaw in the system

If you need to evaluate 1/32nd of an inch or smaller imperfections to outwit the casino then that is not a flaw in their system simply you are just a goddamn freak.

     
  17-Sep-17, 14:12   #9
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Tony_MON7ANA 

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How long has Ivey been fighting? The longer the case goes on without a settlement, the more attorney fees mount. A retainer and court fees could easily exceed a couple of million dollars by the time the case gets resolved.

     
  17-Sep-17, 14:43   #10
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shokaku 

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But we are talking about winnings in the 10 million dollar range here. So it is no surprise to me, that the battle in the courts continues, even after the first ruling. It is still +ev to keep the thing going.

     
  17-Sep-17, 19:23   #11
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Mober 
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Depends on the fees of the lawyers.
The longer a trial goes the more expenses it has.
And i honestly, dont see that as +ev.
How can you? they have already lost one trial which means, already they have paid,
a hefty amount there.
And in most case scenarios, the follow up ends in the same ruling.

     
  20-Sep-17, 08:04   #12
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CALICUL 
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Posted by Mober:
Depends on the fees of the lawyers.
The longer a trial goes the more expenses it has.
And i honestly, dont see that as +ev.
How can you? they have already lost one trial which means, already they have paid,
a hefty amount there.
And in most case scenarios, the follow up ends in the same ruling.


It seems like these professional poker players will lose this process. I think they are not guilty. Guilt is the casino but unfortunately for Phil Ivey and Chen Yin Sun it will not matter if they lose in the end this process. The shame of this casino should be penalized for what he is doing.

     
  21-Sep-17, 21:20   #13
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Mober 
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It depends how you see the whole thing.
It is an exploit after all no matter what.
Take a look at every site, a gaming one, a gambling one.

Once you have started using an exploit, you get banned that simple.

     
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