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should have went all in from the flop with straight draw on board and also if u play that far already should have reraised it back to see his actions he could have bluff the straight out
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A most of the persons above have said Bigger pre flop raise gets a lot of hands out so you'll have a better indicator as to what people may hold....... Id guess they had like QK / 10J or of that type.... I think you were behind but a big bet YES ALWAYS 4X the bet especialy with AA you got to build the pots your in...in my opinion
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Posted by kokocz: I think what are the best start hand cards???
A A
or
A K
what do You think???
i think u should not really consider AK as a hand unless it hist suited or not
AA KK QQ JJ are the best starting hands but you need to remember that at the end of the day play it low and u allow a cheap card for who you are playing against you have to be extremely carefull
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You should have raise preflop, with that small raise the opponent can have a very big range of cards to call with, for example KQ, or AJ, AJ is not too frightening tough since You got better, but still, he could have more or less anything.
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Posted by kokocz: I think what are the best start hand cards???
A A
or
A K
what do You think???
AA vs AKs is a 88% favorite.
AA vs a random hand is around 85% favorite, AKs vs a random hand is "only" a 67% favorite. So there is little question that the rockets are the best starting hand.
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Well if you played the hand that way... i would have called that raise and if there isn't a diamond or anohter card for that straight in river, bet (if re-raise call).
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Unless you have a very good read on your opponent it is just stupid to raise that low with well any good hand given a tag player pre flop. Sure you might get a call pre flop, but is those 2.5 BB worth risking your entire stack with AA. Most people will make the call with a very dangerous board out there just because aces are so hard to fold. But concider this, if he has called this hand with a hand he wouldn't a bigger raise, say TJ, 9T, 9K or what ever hands you want this call from. Will he invest any money after hitting one pair, probably some, but still not much after a raise he will still fold if he is anyway decent. If, however he hits his straight, two pair or flush odds are you will have a hard time giving up your aces and probably lose.
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Posted by shokaku: What are you doing? BB is 30 and you raise to 75??? 2,5 BB ??? Raise more preflop, 3-4 BB at least.
You only bet half the pot at the flop. To little in my oppinion.
If you get raised at the turn in such a situation one pair is rarely good. But you have shown so much weakness during the hand that your opponent might try to bet you out of your hand.
Absolutely right, also 2,5 BB looks kinda like aces, pretty obvious of course he can't know but it's worth a thought for him to reraise with nothing cause he knows that you know that he only raises with a very strong hand in that spot and you can't call with the kinda hand he's putting you on ( A A, KK and maybe Q Q) or at least not continue to the end of the hand unless you hit a miracle card
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hi i had AA and i raised 4 BB before the flop but and another raised allin i call he had 77 and i loose because the river brought a 7 at the same tournament i loose QQ vs AK i was really unlucky
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that was terrible preflopp.. raise 45 to 75 thats not even twice the bb... if u wanna b trappy n slowplay like that then u gotta deal with the fact that he might draw u out on the flop turn or the river... fold is the best thing to do here i know how hard it is 2 lay aces down i can never do that but i wouldnt have been in this position in the 1st place at all i wouldnt have wanted to c the turn card at all
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I think what your play needs, is more aggresivity over all. Slow play is very over rated, especially in online poker, there are only two times when it is good to put cheap cards on the table either you are drawing or you are pretty sure you can trap your opponent, and sure aces is good before the flop but as more and more cards come up on the table you are less and less sure where you are at, and it's too hard to read your opponents online, not the least while having a hard time even being able to lay down your hand. Too often I see people over playing aces terribly, even to the extent of like calling large bets with four to a flush on the table with nothing but the over pair or such, just because it is so hard to lay it down. In my opinion if you want bigger pots, instead of slow playing it every time you think you have the best hand, mix up your play more. Raise a larger range of amounts with your entire hand range thus giving you better implied odds.
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I surely wonder why U only made such a little raise ? I had either went all in or bettet 1/4 upto 1/3 of my stash preflop and if any had called me, i had gone all in on the flop..
w such little raise, U end up play against all hands and will probably lose on turn or river..go figure c",)
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Posted by HappyDane69: I surely wonder why U only made such a little raise ? I had either went all in or bettet 1/4 upto 1/3 of my stash preflop and if any had called me, i had gone all in on the flop..
w such little raise, U end up play against all hands and will probably lose on turn or river..go figure c",)
gl on the tables
all in pre flop o0o
do u wanna pick up only the blinds wtf?
im sorry but that is the stupidest s**t ive heard if u push allin preflop u either do it if u r short stack or if u r trying to steal otherwise all u gonna get is the blinds which is 15+30 lol with aces u gotta try to make the max if u move all in the only hands that are gonna call u are pocket 99s upwards or maybe some donkey with ak aq even aj but most of the time u r just gonna pick up the blinds which doesnt amount to s**t
having said that he shoulda made it 4 times the bb at least 3bb
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AA is and will always B the best hand PREFLOP but:
but all depence on, what the flop, turn and rivers brings U...
and just Bcause U got AA, doesnt mean U gonna win it..
U either lose Ur rockets Bcause of a socalled bad beat or simply Bcause U play it 2 slowly and raises 2 little and there4 lets a player in the game, that normally would have folded on a raise of 1/4 -1/3 of Ur stash up2 an all-in..that is why I think most loses their AA ..
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Posted by HappyDane69: AA is and will always B the best hand PREFLOP but:
but all depence on, what the flop, turn and rivers brings U...
and just Bcause U got AA, doesnt mean U gonna win it..
U either lose Ur rockets Bcause of a socalled bad beat or simply Bcause U play it 2 slowly and raises 2 little and there4 lets a player in the game, that normally would have folded on a raise of 1/4 -1/3 of Ur stash up2 an all-in..that is why I think most loses their AA ..
GL on the tables c",)
well if u play ur aces like u r only gonna get called like 1 in every 100 times
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Posted by eaziabi:
Posted by HappyDane69: AA is and will always B the best hand PREFLOP but:
but all depence on, what the flop, turn and rivers brings U...
and just Bcause U got AA, doesnt mean U gonna win it..
U either lose Ur rockets Bcause of a socalled bad beat or simply Bcause U play it 2 slowly and raises 2 little and there4 lets a player in the game, that normally would have folded on a raise of 1/4 -1/3 of Ur stash up2 an all-in..that is why I think most loses their AA ..
GL on the tables c",)
well if u play ur aces like u r only gonna get called like 1 in every 100 times
n u only get aces 1 every 220 times
so gl picking up the blinds
Yes but it is much better to pick up the blind than to loose half your stack against a straight or a two pair. I do think you should raise it up with larger range of hands though, not saying all in but I would raise it up 4-6 BB with a large hand like aces, thus eliminating a lot of drawing hands. I don't really see how you would want calls from hands such as JT or less, which is the ones you could possibly add to your opponents range with a small raise. And you won't make much money off your opponent when the best you can hope for is that he has a mediocer top pair with a mediocer kicker unless keep slow playing your aces to the river, by which the odds that you are now beat would have grown pretty dangerous. i would rather say that it is better to slow play aces with small stack to make sure to get your opponent all in when he is pretty prone to do so. You should realise that while aces have good odds to win, it's implied odds are terrible and the mentality that you have to makes loads of money every time you have them just makes that so much worse. Aces is just another hand, one which you have to protect just as any other, at the moment, good hand.
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Posted by Whiskerer:
Posted by eaziabi:
Posted by HappyDane69: AA is and will always B the best hand PREFLOP but:
but all depence on, what the flop, turn and rivers brings U...
and just Bcause U got AA, doesnt mean U gonna win it..
U either lose Ur rockets Bcause of a socalled bad beat or simply Bcause U play it 2 slowly and raises 2 little and there4 lets a player in the game, that normally would have folded on a raise of 1/4 -1/3 of Ur stash up2 an all-in..that is why I think most loses their AA ..
GL on the tables c",)
well if u play ur aces like u r only gonna get called like 1 in every 100 times
n u only get aces 1 every 220 times
so gl picking up the blinds
Yes but it is much better to pick up the blind than to loose half your stack against a straight or a two pair. I do think you should raise it up with larger range of hands though, not saying all in but I would raise it up 4-6 BB with a large hand like aces, thus eliminating a lot of drawing hands. I don't really see how you would want calls from hands such as JT or less, which is the ones you could possibly add to your opponents range with a small raise. And you won't make much money off your opponent when the best you can hope for is that he has a mediocer top pair with a mediocer kicker unless keep slow playing your aces to the river, by which the odds that you are now beat would have grown pretty dangerous. i would rather say that it is better to slow play aces with small stack to make sure to get your opponent all in when he is pretty prone to do so. You should realise that while aces have good odds to win, it's implied odds are terrible and the mentality that you have to makes loads of money every time you have them just makes that so much worse. Aces is just another hand, one which you have to protect just as any other, at the moment, good hand.
pickin up the blind r u serious in this example the guy will get 45 chips i coulda made that move with a 10 9 offsuit
o well play aces however u want but i would recommend keeping ur raises std raise the same with aces the way u would raise aq or kq or something
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