| shokaku | 30/08/2017 09:43:07 GMT |
| Surely only small fish compared to the big guys, looking at you Ivey, but at least they were smart enough to take the money, and not set themselfes up for some counterswindle by the casinos. This Punto Banco game, or the deakers there, seems to be quite vulnerable for such tricks.
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| Mober | 30/08/2017 18:06:39 GMT |
That reminded the case with ivey indeed.
Dealers in casinos, must be very careful when dealing in such games,
Especially the ones held in private rooms 
But i doubt they will hold them responsible if something comes up.
Losing their jobs maybe, which of course is not something taking light.
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| shokaku | 30/08/2017 18:33:10 GMT |
| Actually the whole story sounds very doubtful. Distracting the dealer to tamper with the shoe? Yeah, maybe doable once, but doing it repeatedly over a few month time? Very unlikely. This just does not add up.
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| pajalnick | 30/08/2017 19:12:37 GMT |
| Interesting news .... but then of course there are several options of truth ..... or in fact the players committed fraud and cheated the casino ..... or there is such an option that the casino just wants to return the money and tries to prove what was not ... my opinion
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| CALICUL | 30/08/2017 22:46:14 GMT |
It looks like a few more days and and another tactic appears how to cheat casinos. I'm really glad for the guys who manage to do that and i hve big respect for those who manage to escape unpunished.
I do not know if these boys will escape but I hope they will go out innocent and the money stays in their pockets.
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| doubletop777 | 31/08/2017 07:35:58 GMT |
| You see these sort of things happening in very cheesy Casino films but it is the first time i have heard of it happening in a British casino. I look forward to seeing how this plays out
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| Tony_MON7ANA | 31/08/2017 13:45:49 GMT |
| This article poses the question of advantage play versus cheating. In 2016 UK court ruled gambler's advantage play constitutes cheating. So a gambler does not necessarily have to do something dishonest, illegal, or immoral to be considered fraudulent.
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| Mober | 31/08/2017 18:26:58 GMT |
Why this is not doable, Not once or twice, that i have seen a dealer alone, working.
In some casinos there is always a floor manager assigned to tables, so besides the
dealer, he is supervising also like a few tables around him.
But there are instances, that you can see only the dealer.
Is it really that hard to distract them, when you have a group going in the scheme?
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| pochui | 31/08/2017 19:48:48 GMT |
| well since this a group of dudes involved and the operation took 4 months or so and the amount stolen is only at around 200K I must admit that this is really not a big operation, when they split the profits not sure they were so enthusiastic about the results.
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| shokaku | 31/08/2017 20:14:06 GMT |
| Of cause it would not be life changing, but if 4-5 guys are involves it still would be 10k per month per person. And this would only be this one casino. Even more, if they were able to pull the stunt somewhere else too.
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| pajalnick | 01/09/2017 07:08:15 GMT |
Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
In 2016 UK court ruled gambler's advantage play constitutes cheating. |
I do not quite understand your idea or just an incorrect translation ..... that is, if I won any win I play unfairly ???????? ..... and only losses in the casino are true ?????? ..... how it seems to me that there is something wrong .... could not explain my idea a little or send a link to the information about this court? .... thanks
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| Tony_MON7ANA | 01/09/2017 14:41:27 GMT |
Here is the definition of ‘advantage play.’
“Advantage gambling, or advantage play, refers to legal methods, in contrast to cheating in casinos, used to gain an advantage while gambling.”
“Unlike cheating, which is by definition illegal, ‘advantage play’ or ‘advantage gambling’ exploits innate characteristics of a particular game to give the player an advantage relative to the house or other players. While not illegal, advantage play is often discouraged and some advantage players may be banned from certain casinos.”
Source: Advantage gambling
Below are some relevant articles:
• UK court rules gambler's 'advantage play' constitutes 'cheating'
• Poker player loses appeal against London casino over £7.7m winnings
• How ‘Advantage Players’ Game the Casinos
• Advantage Players May Be at a Disadvantage
• Why Phil Ivey got a raw deal
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| bowie1984 | 02/09/2017 00:04:04 GMT |
Posted by shokaku:
Yeah, maybe doable once, but doing it repeatedly over a few month time? Very unlikely. This just does not add up. |
It's doable if the guy who was on 'camera duty' looked away. They probably needed more evidence about the scheme and the mole thats why it took months to end it.
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| pajalnick | 02/09/2017 07:58:18 GMT |
| Tony_MON7ANA thanks for the information .... your answer to my question is very detailed and with links to articles ..... it's very good ... I found out that something new ...... it's nice that on BRM there are people like you .... not only answered but also answered in great detail ..... good luck with the game
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| Tony_MON7ANA | 02/09/2017 14:58:34 GMT |
Not a problem, pajalnick. Googling is my hobby.
It was also my first time I encountered the term “advantage play.” We all learn new things everyday. We all learn from each other at forum. Good luck with your game.
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| Gerimantas | 02/09/2017 18:04:22 GMT |
| Yes it is very strange situation to me, this was going for long time, some months and casino didn't see this and people who created this scheme had make some money ok not super big money but still some good money from this situation.
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| Mober | 02/09/2017 18:48:21 GMT |
It was a well organized one, that is why it lasted that long.
But at the end, it can take forever.
It will be shown in their books.
They are keeping track on what they earn, from what game etc.
When they see, losing that much, something is going wrong
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| bowie1984 | 03/09/2017 00:10:07 GMT |
Posted by Mober: They are keeping track on what they earn, from what game etc. When they see, losing that much, something is going wrong |
They were smart about not going after big money right away. 200k is something but over multiple months it should not cause a hiccup in the casino books.
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| shokaku | 03/09/2017 07:23:35 GMT |
| Yep. 200k over a few month period shoudn't be that much money for a larger casino. They can win/lose more from/to a whale in a single session. So conclusion again: something doesn't add up.
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| pajalnick | 03/09/2017 08:47:31 GMT |
Posted by Tony_MON7ANA:
Googling is my hobby.
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 I also sometimes wonder when people are interested in me than what and my answer - you were banned in Google? ... but in this case I was afraid that when using Google translator could lose the meaning of the phrase .... and then my request to google would give Not at all what I need ... good luck
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| pochui | 03/09/2017 13:07:43 GMT |
| yeah like a couple of dudes above me pointed this out I too have to join their ranks in saying that about 200k dollaros is not a big a amount of money for a casino especially when we're talking about a several months span.
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| Tony_MON7ANA | 03/09/2017 15:03:11 GMT |
Posted by pajalnick:
I also sometimes wonder when people are interested in me than what and my answer - you were banned in Google? ... but in this case I was afraid that when using Google translator could lose the meaning of the phrase .... and then my request to google would give Not at all what I need ... good luck |
Google is accessible in Japan. I guess Google is banned and inaccessible in some countries, such as China, North Korea, Iran, Sudan, Syria, etc.
I use “Ixquick” also when googling (searching) something online.
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| dule-vu | 03/09/2017 15:20:54 GMT |
| well I dont understand completely this news,but who know who is behind this fraud and who took money!and its strange that police is not involved if this is fraud!really strange situation!but if casino lost money,I am glad!
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Genting Bhd management has ordered an internal investigation be done regarding the gambling scammers and their illegal operation at its Genting Casino branch in Glasgow, Scotland.
