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Back again ...... after my post yesterday was hoping to hit the tables with renewed confidence and grind some profit out of the bigbet cash tables ..... only sitting down about 5 minutes and this happens .... get A,A nice.. first to act pushes all in .. couple of folds and its my turn so push all in with $2 + all fold to the big blind who calls ......... cards go over first to act has K,K (strange play pushing all in first to act ) But big blind calling two all ins with A,2 suited .....Yes you read right ...A,2 suited ......look at the photo (didnt get the last card with print screen made a error) Who wins the pot .... one guess ....A,2 suited hits flush on the river what more can i say about cash play on Bigbet ......... i should be happy with these types of calls .... but i cant win against them .............why why why........its not a one off occurance ....... and its not only happening to me ...... watching others with hands like this getting beaten with rags after raising preflop with excessive raises...... Think ill stick to tourneys on this site and play my cash elsewhere ...
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I wouldent worry about it. If you lose a hand it does not relly matter what you lose it to its over and gone. Just make a note. Better luck for the rest of the day.
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Hmm firstly its not about loosing With A,A ......... this happens ..... its trying to understand the way people are playing on these cash tables.......... and the constant beats since i started playing cash on bigbet to raggy hands calling big raises preflop ......
fcumred i know well A,A is not favourite to win with multipl players in the pot but if someone pushes all in preflop and you have A,A you call no matter what amount of money you have but you seriously dont expect a third caller to call with A,2 .... This is what i cant understand ..... as this is the kind of thing thats happening .......... or im raising to 40c with K,K A,A and getting 2 or 3 callers on a 2c 4c table and also on 1c 2c tables on another site while on another site i only raise to 12 c tops and lucky to get one caller ......... actually i bet 40c preflop on pacific poker at 5c 10c as anymore at times and you dont get called . so why the crazy calling here and how do you adopt youre play to it
nikoljass sorry but preflop i will always always call all in with A,A
and the one single hand history post ADACTA was not intended to show a bad beat story .... cant exactly post the whole history of that cash session to show what im talking about but was just a single visual of what im up against when i play on these tables ......... Im playing poker a few years now so im well used to beats bad beats a beats because i played the hand badly so i just curse the screen and move on when they happen .......
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well i would move all in too with A,A 3 callers 4 callers 10 callers have the best hand, but with a understanding that odds of winning keep going down all the time the more people in the pot, As i said not favourite in multiple pots not just with 3 players ..... BUT WHAT I THINK I WAS TALKING ABOUT IS HOW COULD SOMEONE CALL A ALL IN AFTER TWO PLAYERS HAVE GONE ALL IN PREFLOP AND THEY THEN CALL WITH A,2 AND ITS COSTING THEM OVER $2 TO CALL
AND HOW COME THIS IS TYPICAL PLAY ON BIGBET CASH TABLES AND HOW DO I CHANGE MY PLAY TO BECOME A WINNING PLAYER AGAINST THIS TYPE OF PLAY...... AS I AM NOT LIMPING INTO POTS BUT RAISING STRONGLY WITH THESE HAND AND GETTING CALLED AND BEATEN AGAIN AND AGAIN BY RAG CALLERS....
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Stop whining about it. Of course there will be session u will loose for sure no matter how good u played. I had the worst downswing during the WHOLE month of october, not just 1 day or 1 week!Every single day i would loose with the best hand on the river or Aces getting cracked by KK or QQ, etc... It just happens =p Now i m recovering the damage and slowly i ll get there. So far november has been really good, got some bad beats but now i m used to
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lOL IM NOT WHINING IM LOOKING FOR ADVICE............ i dont care about bad beats if i did i would just quit poker as its a big part of poker just wondering how others change there play to adapt or should i decide this is not the room for me to play cash on and stick to stt and mtt on this site and play cash elsewhere.
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Posted by deranged84: of course you gonna get donked playing those stakes. move to 25nl
Not too sure that that helps.
photolong OK you lost this one but the next 3 you will win, the odds are with you but at some stage even when they are an idiot will get paid, they keep the poker world going. Advise just take it as a BB sometimes it will happen all day long the next you cant lose. And when frustrated get off the tables chill for a bit come take it out on bankrollmob. I used to shut down site after a stupid BB but now it doesent even get a "tut" I know it will happen and carry on, but use it to my advantage, now the table thinks im tilting...and I get what im owed.
BBP is fairly new I think so most PPL there have been given rolls and are learning the game so expect more than your fair share, but that said you wins will be bigger and more offten so its all =, GL.
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These kinds of plays make you profit in the long run. Those players that call or shove all in with A2 suited will bust sooner or later. BBP is like any other site, isn't rigged, it just has more bad players than most other sites.
I suggest you keep playing if you have the patience! My aces and kings get cracked all the time, but thats because i also play a ton of hands a day. I usually 9-10 table NL25, and sometimes you still get people that do that. I love those players because although they may take a buyin from me, eventually they'd lose it all
Keep playing at cash tables if you're up for it, you'll def make a profit there if you stick with ABC poker ^^
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Ok guys thanks ....... believe me though its not bad beats i expect them ..... frustration i just stop for a while as its not good to play when the head gets wrecked and i dont want to go on tilt .... Im just having problem getting my point across i think .... just dont understand the way poker is played on this site at this level and how to change my style to win on these tables.... as im doing the free bankroll builder it helps get points quicker than stt but im doing ok win wise on stt so probably should stick to these till i can afford to move up to a bigger buy in like 10c 20c maybe those tables will not be as crazy .... if they are let me know and thats the problem with my other free bankroll its a very small site with no action in stt only cash tables and also crazy...... I play on another site also its totally different at this level very tight and im building slowly as its easier to adopt my style to it...... but as im focusing on the bankrolls im playing mostly on bigbet and the other one............. so i guess im going to have to adapt or stick to stt ..... but the intention with these bankroll was to play cash only ,as pre 2 months ago i played no cash just the odd time for fun... and this was how i was going to learn cash play........ Baptism of fire eh .... But not giving up on it .... just have to try a different approach.
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Posted by photolong: lOL IM NOT WHINING IM LOOKING FOR ADVICE............ i dont care about bad beats if i did i would just quit poker as its a big part of poker just wondering how others change there play to adapt or should i decide this is not the room for me to play cash on and stick to stt and mtt on this site and play cash elsewhere.
Ehh you a sitting with 50BB+ you got AA and villain shoves before you.....how do I adapt to this....I make a VERY good call with AA. Nice and easy.
You don't care about bad beats.....Well this is one.
Losing AA all in preflop will happen as often in tours as in cash(with same number of players in hand).
Random hand wins 15% vs AA so get use to it.
The more players in hand the less winning chance AA got but it will allways be favourite preflop.
Get your money in good and do it over and over again that's poker.
Remember often when you go all in on flop you are 60% favourite so 4 or 10 times villain will win even though you had him. With percentages this close you will have to run it extremely many times to see the result that you are making a +EV decision.
Equity example:
You play NL50, you get AA vs KK all in preflop.
You got 80% chance of winning.
Pot is $100.
AA hold up and you win $100.
You won 100%($100) but only had 80% equity in the pot.
So you won $20 you didn't deserve.
The extra $20 you win every time you win AA vs KK will be taken from you the times KK spikes and sucks you out cause you only had 80% equity in the pot but won 100%. If you want to win 100% when you only got 80% you should win first time and never do it again.
Point being if you keep putting money in spots where you got 80% equity, in the end you will have 80% of the money.
------------ More focus on your decisions, less focus on results as you can't control how the cards fall.
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Posted by M3turbo: Equity example:
You play NL50, you get AA vs KK all in preflop.
You got 80% chance of winning.
Pot is $100.
AA hold up and you win $100.
You won 100%($100) but only had 80% equity in the pot.
So you won $20 you didn't deserve.
The extra $20 you win every time you win AA vs KK will be taken from you the times KK spikes and sucks you out cause you only had 80% equity in the pot but won 100%. If you want to win 100% when you only got 80% you should win first time and never do it again.
Point being if you keep putting money in spots where you got 80% equity, in the end you will have 80% of the money.
------------ More focus on your decisions, less focus on results as you can't control how the cards fall.
I see your frustration while playing at these limits. You got every A-hole on the planet that thinks Ax is a good hand no matter what position they are in. You give them an A- suited with anything and they think they have the "nuts" pf and won't fold even if you make the pf pot odds to call insane. People say it's easy to grind your way out of the micros, but it's plays like this that keep you from growing (sometimes can even set you back). Unfortunately it happens on every site. If you want action, just play at these stakes. Just be glad the guy didn't call you J2, J3, etc. (you get the point) and suckout out for the win.
to many times we post how we lose with AA on donkey 
thats happens about 60 % 4 me 
cuz fish u ll find em everywhere (thank god 
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