This story has nothing to do with this thread http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id... Here is the story. My wife has an account on Full Tilt, which she opened with NDB from a different site. The NDB was 50 $. She didn't play often but managed to increase her bankroll to 119 $. Last month she didn't play at all and suddenly she receives a letter from Full Tilt. Something like: "Your password was changed. If you didn't do it inform us immediately".Several minutes later she receives the similar letter from the NDB site. She tries to login into both with her password and of course the password doesn't work. She figures that the accounts are hacked and writes to both sites to freeze them. The NDB site didn't answer to her letter yet (three days passed). But Full Tilt was prompt: they froze the account and asked my wife for an ID to reinstall her access to the poker room. I told my wife to say farewell to her money but when Full Tilt provided the new temporary password and she managed to login into the room, she found that her bankroll now is 405 $. So, hacker won 286 $ for her!!! Here is my version of what happened. Hacker gained access to her account. Found money on it but didn't find immediate solution of how to cashout or transfer it. So, he decided to donk it away. But instead he won. After that he decided to secure the account for himself to find the way to cashout later. So, he changed the password. Full Tilt informed my wife about password change and the account was frozen before hacker could withdraw. Now there is an awkward situation with hacker's winnings. My wife is a pathologically honest person and she doesn't feel right about having this 286 $. She didn't win it, after all. Full Tilt also is in no position to confiscate this amount as it wasn't gained through cheating. Those people that this money come from shouldn't be reimbursed either, because they lost it in a fair game (to hacker). Hacker can't have it either. His identity is unknown and, after all, he broke the law. Full Tilt knows about this situation but didn't come up with any suggestion. What do you think should happen to this money and who should have it?
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if your wife really doesnt want the money, she can make donation and support whatever she likes - orphins, dolphins, desert eagles. Right now she can donate for Haiti people. Or just give dollar for every beggar she mets til the money is over
That's an option we've been thinking about but we decided to wait. What if she makes a donation now and after some time Full Tilt demands this money back as unlawful winnings.
ACtually the money should go back to teh people who lost it.
The rules of Full Tilt are quite clear. Only the named person on the account may play on that account ID.
As your wife, by her own admission, admints, it wasnt her. So therefore the moment someone else used the accoiunt the rules were broken. OK not by your wife, but thats besides the point.
Those people thought they were playing your wife and htey were not.
Therefore that money should go back to those people. However if Full Tilt dont say anything about it, then I would gag here, refuse to let her near the PC and make sure Full Tilt never figure it out.
I am not sure as well that I believe your theory that they were trying to cashout. I have yet to hear of a hacker that wants to cashout legally. ALl they would need to do is transfer the money to another account. Given most hackers work in groups, that would not be difficult at all. Hell he could even have chip dumped to a mate for cut of the money...
Posted by fcumred: The rules of Full Tilt are quite clear. Only the named person on the account may play on that account ID.
Sounds logical.
Posted by fcumred: refuse to let her near the PC
Why? She is a winning player. It is her money and her account.
Posted by fcumred: However if Full Tilt dont say anything about it, then I would gag here, refuse to let her near the PC and make sure Full Tilt never figure it out.
Full Tilt knows all about it. In fact, they informed her that the winning session was played from an IP address different from that of my wife. But they didn't say anything about what to do with the money. We are waiting for a hand history now.
Posted by fcumred: I am not sure as well that I believe your theory that they were trying to cashout. I have yet to hear of a hacker that wants to cashout legally. ALl they would need to do is transfer the money to another account. Given most hackers work in groups, that would not be difficult at all. Hell he could even have chip dumped to a mate for cut of the money...
Of course, hacker couldn't cashout legally. I expected him to dump the money to some other player (accomplice). It didn't happen. So, I believe he is new to hacking and was working alone. Otherwise, what other theory can be here?
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For me the best option is to send it to Haîti as pokerimees said But i understand that you prefer to wait a bit because 286 $ is an important amount ! Glad your wife get his account back !
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One thing is for sure -you cant find out players, whos money it was without help of FT. So if they dont tell you, its pretty hard to give the money back. I didnt think about the option, that FT might claim the money back, for that option you really should wait or get letter from FT, that there will be no further sanctions and they will not help you to find players, whom the money did originally belong. The hacker - is it possible, its somebody you know. Family friend, coworker, somebody you met in chatroom. If the password is somehow related with your personal life (favorite band, highschool nickname, your pets name or something lkike that), could be easy to quess
Posted by fcumred: ACtually the money should go back to teh people who lost it.
The rules of Full Tilt are quite clear. Only the named person on the account may play on that account ID.
As your wife, by her own admission, admints, it wasnt her. So therefore the moment someone else used the accoiunt the rules were broken. OK not by your wife, but thats besides the point.
Those people thought they were playing your wife and htey were not.
Therefore that money should go back to those people. However if Full Tilt dont say anything about it, then I would gag here, refuse to let her near the PC and make sure Full Tilt never figure it out.
I am not sure as well that I believe your theory that they were trying to cashout. I have yet to hear of a hacker that wants to cashout legally. ALl they would need to do is transfer the money to another account. Given most hackers work in groups, that would not be difficult at all. Hell he could even have chip dumped to a mate for cut of the money...
I believe a "chip dump" was going to happen in the near future too. This hacker could be placing small amounts of money in several accounts to try and hide a much bigger amount instead. So her account could be 1 in several hundred accounts involved in a ring. FT would probably have to freeze all accounts involved to investigate and would tie up your wifes' winnings anyway and account for a period of time. I would try to withdraw all the money and then wait and see what happens. Sounds like FT has some serious security/hacking problems atm. But morally, I would keep the money and try to withdraw it all ASAP. Your wife can take that money and go to a new site, get rakeback and a deposit bonus.
Bottom line...........GET THE MONEY OUT AND KEEP IT. Your wifes' FT account will still have the origional amount of the NDB for $50 that she won't be able to withdraw due to the NDB terms. So she will still be able to play at FT on that amount, if a hacker comes in he won't be able to withdraw that amount either. If your wife gets more than $100 in the account, I would withdraw it back to the $50 so it can't be taken. Remember, after FT fixes this hacker problem she could always redopist the money back. As for the IP address, there are ways hackers can work off one computer but have it read as a totally different IP address or the hacker could be working off a stolen laptop.
Posted by pokkerimees: The hacker - is it possible, its somebody you know. Family friend, coworker, somebody you met in chatroom.
It is very unlikely.
Posted by pokkerimees: If the password is somehow related with your personal life (favorite band, highschool nickname, your pets name or something like that), could be easy to quess
The password was weak and it was used by her for many different sites. That's bad, of course, but my wife doesn't take the possibility of poker career.
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Posted by ih8usukouts: But morally, I would keep the money and try to withdraw it all ASAP. Your wife can take that money and go to a new site, get rakeback and a deposit bonus.
This is out of question. First, the account is still blocked. She can login but can not play or withdraw.Full Tilt gave her time to solve her security issues: change password, scan computer for spyware, etc. After she is ready she must notify Full Tilt and they unblock the account. Second, she doesn't want to take money and run. She likes Full Tilt and wants to keep playing there. She just wants clarity and fair decision. If the money are to be returned to players, then this is the way it is going to be.
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i wouldnt say anything, its not as if full tilt can take the money away! i would wait a couple of months and then if she still feels uncomfortable then donate it to charity.
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It's something ever fair ? take the money and go and spend it ) bet madly with them on high odds and if something come's out you can give it to the homeless spend it
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Posted by schmoyster: This story has nothing to do with this thread http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id... Here is the story. My wife has an account on Full Tilt, which she opened with NDB from a different site. The NDB was 50 $. She didn't play often but managed to increase her bankroll to 119 $. Last month she didn't play at all and suddenly she receives a letter from Full Tilt. Something like: "Your password was changed. If you didn't do it inform us immediately".Several minutes later she receives the similar letter from the NDB site. She tries to login into both with her password and of course the password doesn't work. She figures that the accounts are hacked and writes to both sites to freeze them. The NDB site didn't answer to her letter yet (three days passed). But Full Tilt was prompt: they froze the account and asked my wife for an ID to reinstall her access to the poker room. I told my wife to say farewell to her money but when Full Tilt provided the new temporary password and she managed to login into the room, she found that her bankroll now is 405 $. So, hacker won 286 $ for her!!! Here is my version of what happened. Hacker gained access to her account. Found money on it but didn't find immediate solution of how to cashout or transfer it. So, he decided to donk it away. But instead he won. After that he decided to secure the account for himself to find the way to cashout later. So, he changed the password. Full Tilt informed my wife about password change and the account was frozen before hacker could withdraw. Now there is an awkward situation with hacker's winnings. My wife is a pathologically honest person and she doesn't feel right about having this 286 $. She didn't win it, after all. Full Tilt also is in no position to confiscate this amount as it wasn't gained through cheating. Those people that this money come from shouldn't be reimbursed either, because they lost it in a fair game (to hacker). Hacker can't have it either. His identity is unknown and, after all, he broke the law. Full Tilt knows about this situation but didn't come up with any suggestion. What do you think should happen to this money and who should have it?
ok, i suppose i could take that money off her hands if i have to
Kudos to your wife for being so honest as to not want to keep the money for herself, she's defintley in the minority of people on such a viewpoint. As mentioned above, i think she would be doing a great thing if she donated to some charitable cause such as Red cross, Haiti etc etc whatever she pleases.
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Posted by schmoyster: This story has nothing to do with this thread http://www.bankrollmob.com/forum.asp?mode=thread&id... Here is the story. My wife has an account on Full Tilt, which she opened with NDB from a different site. The NDB was 50 $. She didn't play often but managed to increase her bankroll to 119 $. Last month she didn't play at all and suddenly she receives a letter from Full Tilt. Something like: "Your password was changed. If you didn't do it inform us immediately".Several minutes later she receives the similar letter from the NDB site. She tries to login into both with her password and of course the password doesn't work. She figures that the accounts are hacked and writes to both sites to freeze them. The NDB site didn't answer to her letter yet (three days passed). But Full Tilt was prompt: they froze the account and asked my wife for an ID to reinstall her access to the poker room. I told my wife to say farewell to her money but when Full Tilt provided the new temporary password and she managed to login into the room, she found that her bankroll now is 405 $. So, hacker won 286 $ for her!!! Here is my version of what happened. Hacker gained access to her account. Found money on it but didn't find immediate solution of how to cashout or transfer it. So, he decided to donk it away. But instead he won. After that he decided to secure the account for himself to find the way to cashout later. So, he changed the password. Full Tilt informed my wife about password change and the account was frozen before hacker could withdraw. Now there is an awkward situation with hacker's winnings. My wife is a pathologically honest person and she doesn't feel right about having this 286 $. She didn't win it, after all. Full Tilt also is in no position to confiscate this amount as it wasn't gained through cheating. Those people that this money come from shouldn't be reimbursed either, because they lost it in a fair game (to hacker). Hacker can't have it either. His identity is unknown and, after all, he broke the law. Full Tilt knows about this situation but didn't come up with any suggestion. What do you think should happen to this money and who should have it?
WITHDRAW THE EXTRA FUNDS DONATE TO THE HATI PEOPLE THEY COULD USE IT ALOT MORRE THAT U HOPE U FIND SOME GOOD WAY TO USE THIS
