What is for you the best theory to explain evolution?
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Hi Mobsters ! Here i come with a little poll that have nothing to do with poker ! Its about what you think is the good theory for evolution ! I think about this, because im studying it just right now ! Its an important question (even if you are not a scientist !) because its about the origin of the humanity...
So what is the theory you support : 1) Strictly religious : God created the world, there is no evolutions, all species popped in one time. 2) Intelligent design : pseudo scientific theory : explaining the universe on some point, saying that its not random, but some kind of intelligent design that make things going as they are. 3) Neo-Darwinism : species or evoluting thanks to natural selection. Then the most adapted survive and transmit this adaptation to his progeny. 4) New scientific Evolutions theory : neutralism (random evolution by mutation, no natural selection) or Kauffman (Evolution is not random, influenced and directed by molecular mechanisms), or... 5) You just dont care, living here in the 21st century and its good enough for you.
Im personnaly more hesitating between 3 and 4 because there is solid scientific evidence on it. Though, i still believe there must be some kind of divine intervention somewhere. Anyway, everyone should keep in mine that none of those theory is 100% correct, and the theory's themselves keep evoluting !
------------ Ah damn, i should have add one more answer : 6) None of the last theory (you have your own theory or you know another you support)
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Thx for answers Here, what's interesting is to see that all the three answers (and the thread) are from young guys (22 year old max). What about the older people ?
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Hmm good poker thinking question.... Neo-Darwinism as it makes more sence to me and my marginally large brain We belive in this Darwin based theory.
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Posted by Tchungpo: Thx for answers Here, what's interesting is to see that all the three answers (and the thread) are from young guys (22 year old max). What about the older people ?
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I am turned into a sort of machine for observing facts and grinding out conclusions. 1.Non-living chemicals cannot become alive on their own. 2.something must be eternal. 3.Nothing is ever fact. I opt for outher, but dont have my own I think along with Darwin that things in life are simple, however we think of ourselfs to be cleaver and overlook the simple things in life.
3) Neo-Darwinism : species or evoluting thanks to natural selection. Then the most adapted survive and transmit this adaptation to his progeny. Thats out for me, we already create life by none natural selection. And we did not wipe out all species nature did. Alth we are slowly killing the planet, causing more damage in the last 1-200 years then any outher species. 4) New scientific Evolutions theory : neutralism (random evolution by mutation, no natural selection) or Kauffman (Evolution is not random, influenced and directed by molecular mechanisms) Most plausable Im drawn to 2 outher solutions, either Admin created us or Blue.
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I think most christians today don't take the bible story of creation literally. I have never met anyone who denies the existence of dinosaurs or claims that man in the modern sense has always been around. There are some people out there who take the word of "god" as 100% fact but these people clearly are mentally retarded. I notice though that you don't include any other religious explanations from other cultures such as hindu which is even more bizarre than the the christian story.
I think most people in the modern world accept some idea of gradual change. Whether you credit some mystical being or random chance, there is clear evidence that animals have not always been the same as they are now. I have it on good authority (namely Stephen Fry via QI) that christianity never objected to the idea of evolution, it was the process of natural selection and the suggestion that there was no divine intervention that riled them up.
I am inclined to agree with Darwin though it is difficult to see how parents pass on their characteristics when I appear not to take after either of my parents. Modern biologists tend to agree that some mutation occurs in the creation of gametes (sperm and egg cells) which allows offspring to possess genes that neither parent has. It must however be random since so many animals have evolved features that have no benefit to them and the vast majority of our genes are completely useless to us.
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scientific theory, evolution, time, whatever you wanna call it. i hate that "god created the universe" s**t. i'm one of those who truly believes neither god or jesus ever existed
When I was still at university, I thought and learned a lot about evolutionism and Darwinism. Also got quite some religious explanations too, being it was a catholic univeristy. But however I turn things around, I ALWAYS end up with one thing I still haven't found an answer for, not in Darwinism, nor in religious theory : where did the very first "thing" come from ?
If you want to go for evolutionairy theories, then there's the question of how did the first living thing get here, how small and insignificant it may have been ?
If you go for purely scientific, like the "big bang", then where did that first single atom that exploded come from ?
And if you go for God... well, where did HE come from then ???
So folks, it looks like things are made so we will never get to know. Something to keep us busy. Even that is included in "the Plan"
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Posted by TheCardDemon: When I was still at university, I thought and learned a lot about evolutionism and Darwinism. Also got quite some religious explanations too, being it was a catholic univeristy. But however I turn things around, I ALWAYS end up with one thing I still haven't found an answer for, not in Darwinism, nor in religious theory : where did the very first "thing" come from ?
If you want to go for evolutionairy theories, then there's the question of how did the first living thing get here, how small and insignificant it may have been ?
If you go for purely scientific, like the "big bang", then where did that first single atom that exploded come from ?
And if you go for God... well, where did HE come from then ???
So folks, it looks like things are made so we will never get to know. Something to keep us busy. Even that is included in "the Plan"
Hey THECARDDEMON didn't you study at the U.C.L. ? because that's where i study in belgium and its a catholic university
