Joined: Apr '09
Age: 37 (M)
Posted by shokaku:
Posted by shaunc7: **Obviously aakk is statistically the best pre flop hand... but one that seems to never hold up unless you hit.
PLO is a flop game. If you don't connect with the board, even the best starting hand becomes worthless, and yes AAKKds is my favorite.
Funnily enough, I've read a lot of very good articles stating the opposite, that PLO is in fact a far more pre-flop than holdem is. There's a lot to it and personally, I am convinced, but the basic idea is thus, in holdem, there is very little marginal difference (hand equity) between most 2 card combos, with the obvious exception of QQ,KK,AA most other combos, such as KQs aren't really all that much better than 78s, Holdem really is a post flop, thinking mans game. Sure, you occasionally get dealt AA and manage to get all your chips in pre-flop and theres no post flop play at all. But people that play Holdem as though it's a pre-flop game tend to be bingo playing donks And likewise people who think PLO is all about the flop tend to call almost every hand they get dealt. When the reality is, the equity difference between the top 20% of PLO hands and the bottom 20% of PLO hands is a LOT greater than can be said of holdem.
PLO is a game of NUT hands and accordingly if you don't have pre-flop nut hand draws Axs,pp, etc then there's no point calling the hand, why bother when the best you might hope for is a K high flush you know is gonna be slammed by the A, or if it isn't, you get F all value because you can't overbet it in fear of the A
Ultimately, PLO can be said to be very pre-flop, especially when playing Hi Lo, because there's so many hands to have so little NUT drawing value there is no point. Where as holdem as seen by all those making threads about how there AKs allin pre flop was bust by 6 8, has a lot more value in seeing a flop and making strategic play thereafter..
I also read in a couple articles, that if you took for example the top 20% of PLO hands vs bottom 20% of PLO hands and put them all in pre flop and re-ran 1000 times you'd see a better profit than if you did the exact same thing with the top/bottom holdem hands
And one guy who had sharkscope stats and graphs to back him up went so far as to say the reason he and so many others make so much money from PLO & Hi/Lo is because so many people thinks it a flop game, when in their view it's actually all about careful pre-flop selection.
personally, I don't play that much PLo or PLO8, but I am persuaded by the arguments I read that Holdem is more post flop and PLO is more pre-flop
Joined: Oct '08
Age: 47 (M)
Posted by jessthehuman: personally, I don't play that much PLo or PLO8, but I am persuaded by the arguments I read that Holdem is more post flop and PLO is more pre-flop
quite the converse. PLO is a must see flop game as Kristan says.
so actually any hand is good preflop i prefer paires like 8899 or any connected cards from 5678 and up.....ahh give me any 4 cards i find them all ok and after ive seen the flop i konw what im gonna do
Joined: Feb '09
Age: 45 (M)
I like anything i can raise with...double suited..xxxx in a row..something like 34of hearts and 57...aces...kings....2 pair of anything...I only raise these hands heads up which is all i play really...i guess 4567 double suited would be one of my favs...