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For me, give me double suited high broadway cards, 9TJQ double suited sounds good, although not so good for a low flush...I like it when the A/K of the suit flops

     
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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by jessthehuman:
personally, I don't play that much PLo or PLO8, but I am persuaded by the arguments I read that Holdem is more post flop and PLO is more pre-flop

quite the converse. PLO is a must see flop game as Kristan says.

so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile
i prefer paires like 8899 or any connected cards from 5678 and up.....ahh give me any 4 cards i find them all ok and after ive seen the flop i konw what im gonna do Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


it's a flop game in that you need to see whether your flush draws come out on the board or if your sets to. But pre-flop selection is sooo much more important than in Holdem.

Your qoute saying "so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile "

just makes me think you're a PLO/PLO8 donk

Did you read my entire post or not ? Want more info, look it up.

The fact so many people think like you, calling any fkn 4 cards (esp in Hi/Lo games) is why the good PLO/PLO8 players say they are cleaning up so well at the moment. Because the game's full of holdem players that THINK they know all about Omaha. PLO/PLO8 is a game of nut hands.

I mean, obvious it's not a "no limit" game, so you're far less likely to be in an all-in preflop sitiuation like you are playing against a bunch of donks in holdem. So yes, you want to see the flop, but if you underestimate the importance of pre-flop hand selection in PLO/8 then you're just giving away your money to sharks.

     
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My best starting hands are: AAAA, KKKK, AAKK, KKQJ and AAKQ. These are an example of my collection of best starting hands for OMAHA. But for those hands you need super luck.

     
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Posted by shaunc7:
I've asked many people this question...and received many different answers from akq10 double suited, 2345/ 78910/ aa45.. and so on.

Myself, I seem to do best with mid runners.. 5678 4567 6789

Any particular hands run good for you?


**Obviously aakk is statistically the best pre flop hand... but one that seems to never hold up unless you hit.


7788, thats the hand i ussualy wins with... to my experience , it holds the most winnings... percentage wise... and if you do win, pots are usually large...

     
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Thanks to everyone who actually answered my question. Tonight I like 78910..

DOzni01. yeah.. i called someone a sarcastic prick.. dont care to look back in the thread to find out who, but either answer the question or why post. I`m sorry if i offended your thread friend..lol. you said `your gonna really be like here`.. r you for real. Forums are meant for opinions, it`s ok if you dont agree with mine.. just try and have one of your own.

jessthehuman: thanks for the Ideas.. your post was really the only 1 worth the read.

     
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by jessthehuman:
personally, I don't play that much PLo or PLO8, but I am persuaded by the arguments I read that Holdem is more post flop and PLO is more pre-flop

quite the converse. PLO is a must see flop game as Kristan says.

so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile
i prefer paires like 8899 or any connected cards from 5678 and up.....ahh give me any 4 cards i find them all ok and after ive seen the flop i konw what im gonna do Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


it's a flop game in that you need to see whether your flush draws come out on the board or if your sets to. But pre-flop selection is sooo much more important than in Holdem.

Your qoute saying "so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile "

just makes me think you're a PLO/PLO8 donk

Did you read my entire post or not ? Want more info, look it up.

The fact so many people think like you, calling any fkn 4 cards (esp in Hi/Lo games) is why the good PLO/PLO8 players say they are cleaning up so well at the moment. Because the game's full of holdem players that THINK they know all about Omaha. PLO/PLO8 is a game of nut hands.

I mean, obvious it's not a "no limit" game, so you're far less likely to be in an all-in preflop sitiuation like you are playing against a bunch of donks in holdem. So yes, you want to see the flop, but if you underestimate the importance of pre-flop hand selection in PLO/8 then you're just giving away your money to sharks.



LOL, AGAIN WHAT THE FUKK ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT Big Smile?

I usuallly support all your posts and jokes, but if you really think omaha any kind is preflop play then I think you are on wrong path! I have been playing omaha more than 2 years all together, more seriously one year now from limit omaha to hilo - Now you are trying to cinvince players its preflop game? Game thats built up on limit and pot limit is now proven to be a preflop game?

You keep going on about this you are making a TOOL out of yourself

     
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everybody says that aakk double suited is the best starting hand starting hand statistically.. but isnt it aaj10 double suited?

     
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Posted by Kristan:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by jessthehuman:
personally, I don't play that much PLo or PLO8, but I am persuaded by the arguments I read that Holdem is more post flop and PLO is more pre-flop

quite the converse. PLO is a must see flop game as Kristan says.

so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile
i prefer paires like 8899 or any connected cards from 5678 and up.....ahh give me any 4 cards i find them all ok and after ive seen the flop i konw what im gonna do Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


it's a flop game in that you need to see whether your flush draws come out on the board or if your sets to. But pre-flop selection is sooo much more important than in Holdem.

Your qoute saying "so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile "

just makes me think you're a PLO/PLO8 donk

Did you read my entire post or not ? Want more info, look it up.

The fact so many people think like you, calling any fkn 4 cards (esp in Hi/Lo games) is why the good PLO/PLO8 players say they are cleaning up so well at the moment. Because the game's full of holdem players that THINK they know all about Omaha. PLO/PLO8 is a game of nut hands.

I mean, obvious it's not a "no limit" game, so you're far less likely to be in an all-in preflop sitiuation like you are playing against a bunch of donks in holdem. So yes, you want to see the flop, but if you underestimate the importance of pre-flop hand selection in PLO/8 then you're just giving away your money to sharks.



LOL, AGAIN WHAT THE FUKK ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT Big Smile?

I usuallly support all your posts and jokes, but if you really think omaha any kind is preflop play then I think you are on wrong path! I have been playing omaha more than 2 years all together, more seriously one year now from limit omaha to hilo - Now you are trying to cinvince players its preflop game? Game thats built up on limit and pot limit is now proven to be a preflop game?

You keep going on about this you are making a TOOL out of yourself



The most important pre-flop play in PLO is the raises/3bets to get the pot up so u buy the pot on flop/turn. If you hit or draw on flop you don't want a pot of 4BB, you wanna be able to bet and collect...

Preflop game isnt that important, except for what I just wrote since Omaha is so much more variable than hold em. Hell, if you get dealt QQ in NLHE you spray your chips in... QQXXo is a s**t hand in omaha in my opinion. Would play it ofc, but not shove like I would in hold em...

     
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Posted by RMBKK:
Posted by Kristan:
Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by jessthehuman:
personally, I don't play that much PLo or PLO8, but I am persuaded by the arguments I read that Holdem is more post flop and PLO is more pre-flop

quite the converse. PLO is a must see flop game as Kristan says.

so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile
i prefer paires like 8899 or any connected cards from 5678 and up.....ahh give me any 4 cards i find them all ok and after ive seen the flop i konw what im gonna do Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


it's a flop game in that you need to see whether your flush draws come out on the board or if your sets to. But pre-flop selection is sooo much more important than in Holdem.

Your qoute saying "so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile "

just makes me think you're a PLO/PLO8 donk

Did you read my entire post or not ? Want more info, look it up.

The fact so many people think like you, calling any fkn 4 cards (esp in Hi/Lo games) is why the good PLO/PLO8 players say they are cleaning up so well at the moment. Because the game's full of holdem players that THINK they know all about Omaha. PLO/PLO8 is a game of nut hands.

I mean, obvious it's not a "no limit" game, so you're far less likely to be in an all-in preflop sitiuation like you are playing against a bunch of donks in holdem. So yes, you want to see the flop, but if you underestimate the importance of pre-flop hand selection in PLO/8 then you're just giving away your money to sharks.



LOL, AGAIN WHAT THE FUKK ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT Big Smile?

I usuallly support all your posts and jokes, but if you really think omaha any kind is preflop play then I think you are on wrong path! I have been playing omaha more than 2 years all together, more seriously one year now from limit omaha to hilo - Now you are trying to cinvince players its preflop game? Game thats built up on limit and pot limit is now proven to be a preflop game?

You keep going on about this you are making a TOOL out of yourself



The most important pre-flop play in PLO is the raises/3bets to get the pot up so u buy the pot on flop/turn. If you hit or draw on flop you don't want a pot of 4BB, you wanna be able to bet and collect...

Preflop game isnt that important, except for what I just wrote since Omaha is so much more variable than hold em. Hell, if you get dealt QQ in NLHE you spray your chips in... QQXXo is a s**t hand in omaha in my opinion. Would play it ofc, but not shove like I would in hold em...



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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by jessthehuman:
personally, I don't play that much PLo or PLO8, but I am persuaded by the arguments I read that Holdem is more post flop and PLO is more pre-flop

quite the converse. PLO is a must see flop game as Kristan says.

so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile
i prefer paires like 8899 or any connected cards from 5678 and up.....ahh give me any 4 cards i find them all ok and after ive seen the flop i konw what im gonna do Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


it's a flop game in that you need to see whether your flush draws come out on the board or if your sets to. But pre-flop selection is sooo much more important than in Holdem.

Your qoute saying "so actually any hand is good preflop Big Smile "

just makes me think you're a PLO/PLO8 donk

Did you read my entire post or not ? Want more info, look it up.

The fact so many people think like you, calling any fkn 4 cards (esp in Hi/Lo games) is why the good PLO/PLO8 players say they are cleaning up so well at the moment. Because the game's full of holdem players that THINK they know all about Omaha. PLO/PLO8 is a game of nut hands.

I mean, obvious it's not a "no limit" game, so you're far less likely to be in an all-in preflop sitiuation like you are playing against a bunch of donks in holdem. So yes, you want to see the flop, but if you underestimate the importance of pre-flop hand selection in PLO/8 then you're just giving away your money to sharks.


i always read the entire post before i reply.
regarding "any 4 cards" or "any hand is good" at PLO was more or less a joke, but what i was going to say is the spectrum of the starting hands in PLO is wider than on NLH, therefor > postflop game.
and i completly disagree that the preflop selection is much more important than in holdem. in NLH with AA or KK im all in if necessary in PLO having AAKK i feel like "oh oh troublehand". its nice in a one vs one situation but facing 4 players each of them having 4 cards ? man...thats just suicide if u dont hit, and having trips in PLO is like having one pair in NLH.
oh and the position play is also not as important in PLO as in NLH imo...so all in all its a postflop game (for me at least).

     
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ok look, I'm getting slammed here and as I admitted in my very first post, I don't play a lot of Omaha of any variety.

The basic argument I have read states the the hand equity of top 20% PLO hands vs bottom 20% PLO has a better over all expected value than the top 20% Holdem hands vs bottom 20% holdem hands.

The other basic argument was this, in holdem, it's not a game of "nut hands" you rarely have the stone-cold-nuts and its a far more strategic post-flop game, pre-flop selection is obv important in both games, but in holdem, once the flop comes down, bluffing, creative play, opponent reading, etc has a lot more impact than in PLO. In PLO you're looking for nut hands A high flushes, or FB's, you're really not betting hard on two pair, trips, straights on a flushed board, etc.

So basically the two main points of the argument was the the equity in top PLO hands vs bottom hands is greater than if you compare top and bottom holdem hands. And that in PLO it's no so much of a thinking game after the flop, you either have the nuts, have draws to the nuts, are your hand is s**t. In Holdem Its much harder to know where you stand and post flop play is a lot more strategic.

It then states to win lots of money in PLO do two things: select pre-flop hands carefully so you're not one of the "I'll see a PLO flop with any 4 donk" and also to only play strong hands if you hold the nuts, this is particularily true in Hi/Lo where if you have no decent lo hand, then you wanna be damn sure you have the fucking nut Hi

Anyway, as I say, I'm just paraphrasing some stuff I was reading a while ago when I was looking at playing a bit more PLO, in the end, I never really did, Holdem is my game, and I'll admit I may not know what I'm talking about with Omaha.. But they were good articles and I think the points raised are valid. Especially I think in the context of how many players think AK in holdem is a fucking nut starting hand, as apposed to a drawing hand. So many people in holdem keep playing AK post flop like they were holding AA or something. And thats the point, in PLO after the flop you know where you stand - you either made you hand or you didnt. In holdem - it's more complicated.

     
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My favourite cards are 1010jq, but in omaha you can have the best hand in flop and worst in river, no good hand any card

     
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i dont answer your question so i read your first 2 answers and ask me whats your problem

     
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Just any 4 working together cards and of course double suited. You defenitely win the most postflop with PLO. So I rather see a good flop Big Smile

     
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Here are the 30 best start hands in PLO. I taked it from 1 russian poker forum.

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I dont understand much players that make big rises before flop. I see so many times when start hands like AAxx loose against other small hands.

Edited by dorinba (25 May 2010 @ 13:00 GMT)

Attached Images30 Best PLO start hanfs.JPG

     
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I like T/J/Q/K double suited...
But i don't play to much at Omaha anyway i don't like swings ...

     
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AAKK is not so good. The best possible hand is smth like
A Spade A Heart J Spade T Heart

This hand is concidered the best by grandmasters like Bob Ciaffone, and agree with them.

Nevertheless, there is no single hand worthy of raising before flop!!

     
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AAKK offsuited its obviously the best starting hand in plo.

     
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OFFsuited? you must be joking!
with such hand you have:
-zero chance on flush
-mizerable chance on sraight
all you have is just ONE pair and a chance to catch a set. If you get no A or K on flop your hand is trash! and you know, there are not so many aces and kings left in the deck if you hold a half of them! Thumbs Down

     
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lol ofcourse hand selection preflop on omaha is very important, if you play every hand you're dealt, especialy on a tournament, only if you run hot as the sun you will make the money, I think is even more important than on holdem the preflop play on omaha.

     
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