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  24-Jun-10, 06:59   #1
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bless9 

Joined: Feb '09
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I played this in live game.

blinds are 2€.
I raise 20€. One player raises to 40€. Others fold, I call.

Flop QQ7

I raise all in 130€. Other calls, turn 9, river J.

I show AQ, other shows JJ. Aww crap!

Now how unlucky is that, I could undestand if he called pocket 77, but this was mad.

     
  24-Jun-10, 07:04   #2
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dorinba 
Joined: Jan '10
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You was unluky, thats all. Poker is not only skills, you need some luck too.
yerstaday for example I win with 55 vs AA, of course I was very lucky.
So I wish you Good Luck Smile

     
  24-Jun-10, 07:06   #3
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doomdy 

Joined: May '08
Location: Netherlands
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Just unlucky Agree

But i have to say i wud call that flop also if i had JJ Smile

     
  24-Jun-10, 07:17   #4
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shokaku 

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With two Q's on the board it was unlikely that you have another Q, so he thought his jacks are still good. Loose play, easy stackoff.

     
  24-Jun-10, 07:30   #5
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magatt966 

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Posted by shokaku:
With two Q's on the board it was unlikely that you have another Q, so he thought his jacks are still good. Loose play, easy stackoff.



Agree,
and I guess he felt committed to the pot and thought you were committed as well

anyway no luck for you

     
  24-Jun-10, 08:47   #6
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bless9 

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Posted by shokaku:
With two Q's on the board it was unlikely that you have another Q,.


I dont believe that, come on I called his raise 40€. He knew I could have very good cards.

     
  24-Jun-10, 09:08   #7
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ZmxPowah 
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Posted by bless9:
I played this in live game.

blinds are 2�.
I raise 20�. One player raises to 40�. Others fold, I call.


Blinds 2 and you raise 20? Most of time people raise high the cards they are not 100% sure like AK... and your AQ ass well. So he was thinking you have some AK maybe. wb/wa

     
  24-Jun-10, 09:15   #8
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shokaku 

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Posted by bless9:
Posted by shokaku:
With two Q's on the board it was unlikely that you have another Q,.


I dont believe that, come on I called his raise 40�. He knew I could have very good cards.

AK is even better than AQ.

     
  24-Jun-10, 09:19   #9
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xxxbchxxx 

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Ouch! thats just poor luck!
But i tell you... thats why i just love playing pocket pairs Big Smile
Ofcourse i wouldnt call a massive raise with 22 but id call with the JJ your op did.
But might have layed it down with your all in!
You did the right thing in my eyes Blink
Just unlucky.
I agree with ZmxPowah he prob put you on AK.

     
  24-Jun-10, 09:28   #10
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bless9 

Joined: Feb '09
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More thoughts. He could thought I had A7 suited.
But I dont call that big raise with suited ace pre flop.
And when hit two pairs, I go all in he would had higher two pairs...

Or that I had example 10 10, that makes sense to call pre-flop 40€ raise. And then try to bluff the pot away.

The real problem is I didnt have enough chips, if I had 300€ and raise that all in, he would most likely fold. But now as he had already 40€ in pot, and he could win 260€ if he pays only 90€ more.
hard to fold then.



     
  24-Jun-10, 13:16   #11
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Kerdisas 

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Posted by ZmxPowah:
Posted by bless9:
I played this in live game.

blinds are 2�.
I raise 20�. One player raises to 40�. Others fold, I call.


Blinds 2 and you raise 20? Most of time people raise high the cards they are not 100% sure like AK... and your AQ ass well. So he was thinking you have some AK maybe. wb/wa


It seems like a good version. Probably the truth is near

     
  24-Jun-10, 16:27   #12
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stojaca 
Joined: Oct '09
Location: Serbia
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Posts: 290
Posted by bless9:


Now how unlucky is that,


You have no luck.

Or, you was scammed with that flop. Confused

     
  24-Jun-10, 16:43   #13
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dule-vu 

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it happen all time!its sicker when you lose againts 4 of kind againts yours 3 of A!so cant againts sistem!and what would you say about this?would you be more angry if you lost like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YPI6XDGPHg

     
  24-Jun-10, 17:09   #14
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schwabo 

Joined: Mar '10
Location: Croatia
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Hi,bad luck but nothing what is not happen to me almoust every day,that is poker,if that was happen to you(different sides)you will forget that for 15 minutes Thumbs Up Aww crap! Aww crap! Aww crap!

     
  24-Jun-10, 21:45   #15
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Hajinnho 

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Posts: 1379
Posted by bless9:
I played this in live game.

blinds are 2�.
I raise 20�. One player raises to 40�. Others fold, I call.

Flop QQ7

I raise all in 130�. Other calls, turn 9, river J.

I show AQ, other shows JJ. Aww crap!

Now how unlucky is that, I could undestand if he called pocket 77, but this was mad.


openraise 10 BBs?! wow... pretty ugly...

Posted by bless9:
Posted by shokaku:
With two Q's on the board it was unlikely that you have another Q,.


I dont believe that, come on I called his raise 40�. He knew I could have very good cards.


so now you gonna tell us AQ is a good hand (in a reraise)...

rubish.

Your range is clear:
AK or a pocket. AQ is really... well.... it is possible as he minraised... but obv. i would call jacks there too.

     
  25-Jun-10, 01:12   #16
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teteban 
Joined: Apr '08
Location: Argentina
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I have to go with this:
- raising 10bbs with AQ preflop is madness
- calling a 40bb reraise with AQ is beyond madness
- flop play is alright I guess, but the hand was doomed from the start.

     
  25-Jun-10, 08:01   #17
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zsiz88 

Joined: Feb '09
Location: Hungary
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Posted by bless9:
blinds are 2�.
I raise 20�. One player raises to 40�. Others fold, I call.

Flop QQ7

I raise all in 130�. Other calls, turn 9, river J.

I show AQ, other shows JJ. Aww crap!

I think that was good play, but bad luck Confused
Same happened to me hundreds of times..

     
  25-Jun-10, 08:14   #18
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shokaku 

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Posted by teteban:
- raising 10bbs with AQ preflop is madness

This was a live game. Play is looser there, so one has to bet bigger to thin out the field.

Posted by teteban:
- calling a 40bb reraise with AQ is beyond madness

Actually it was just a min reraise. But calling a reraise with AQ out of position is debatable.

     
  25-Jun-10, 10:26   #19
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watoba 
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very unlucky for u but the other player can call with jj i agree with the other comments.And yeah raising 10BB with AQ preflop is too much.

     
  26-Jun-10, 10:52   #20
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bless9 

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Location: Finland
Age: 36 (M)
Posts: 328
Im surprised how many of yall say you call in flop after QQ7 with JJ

If has Q then chance to win with JJ is 7%.


     
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