I have recently, after a brief (though still on going) bad swing have lowered my tourney buy in levels, now $5-$10. However I have become quite fusterated to getting flush fished. As an example on the second hand of a small mtt, 3 callers no raise I have kk and the button. I make a moderate raise, the blinds fold. The fellow in first position re raises, as he raised first hand also with rubbish. J-9 os I believe. So i doubt he has aces. I push all in, he calls with a suited 2-7. I hit a king on the flop , and he hits runner runner to make his flush. Is there a way to combat this? As this is occuring alot of late, or is it just my bad swing in full effect?
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nothing to do about them , you always have such kind of players but they don't survive long , had the same yesterday with AA . is not funny when it happends but it just happends to all of us .
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a lot off fishes flush or straight play at all poker sites and its not very good then on the river they claim luck and get his card and bust u or kikck from the tournament its happens every day good luck in future
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for every donk like this ... there are 10 more who arent lucky so cheer up . next time youll get the stupid and non lucky all in with your aces preflop
yeah this can really get you down your confidence is low , you even question your ability to play poker could i have played it different..... nothing seems to go right but yet again these idiots win playing so badly, this has happend to me hurting inside massive down swing, but you can ride through this, just play your normal game, its good that you have lowered your stakes good bankrollmanagment, so that means your a wise player
i suggest just play a few $1 just to build up your confidence and to get you in the right state of mind also you wont be playing scared cause of the little buyin, you could even take a couple of days off poker then try the small stake, i know this can effect the way you play can even make you go on tilt, but in the long run you will beat these players without these DONKS they wouldnt be any winning players i hope you take some of my advise and good luck in what you do
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i dont know if they are bad players but i think so. maybe he has been looking at flops before and have seen no 2-7s on flop for a time or the flushdraw and is betting to that. did he have a big stack? if so many players play like that in tourneys
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There is a soluction for that, better quit playing poker: I suffer alot from the same problem too, as long as i get set half of times iam donked by straight or flush. Its funny when people says in long run bla bla bla he will lose and bla bla bla, f**k that, iam playing for more than 2 years and always happened that to me and keep happening.
Iam thinking seriously about quitting poker, cause iam tired to wait for the long run that never appears.
Thanks for advice all, there is no defence to donkey luck. I am going down in buy ins, I have had bad swings before. Though thankfully I am not at the point where I convince myself online poker is rigged. I'll just just take a couple days off, maybe watch the Ungar movie. Go back to the really low levels and pick off some ace raggers till my confidence returns. Can't play poker scared. Good luck on the tables to all of you.
------------ it was the second hand, and he was down maybe 3 bb. It was pre flop with suite 2-7
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Posted by roark: As an example on the second hand of a small mtt, 3 callers no raise I have kk and the button. I make a moderate raise, the blinds fold. ............ I push all in, he calls with a suited 2-7. I hit a king on the flop , and he hits runner runner to make his flush.
1. Whates a moderate raise? You need a lot more than just 3bet when in 4 handed. Atleast Dwans 6bet lol.
2. Why you push all in after he reraised you? If you would of played the flop and then pushed he would of folded. Because I dont think he would of bluffed you with 27 postflop in 1st pos.
Overall ul, but I would not play KK preflop there. You cant make an opinion about the player based on 1 hand he played before
Edit: looked up moderate raise and it said to be a small raise, so obv it didnt scared him too much.
indd bad luck with good play it`s a shame. i played a cash game yesterday PL Omaha HI 0,10/0,25 i get KKQ9 2x suited i make a raise got called twice pot size 5 dollar after the flop i have top pair and went all in with 3,50 got called by a guy he hase only pocket 2 and hits a 2 on the river sh1t makes me mad
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the only way to combat this is agrresion and bet-size. If the flop makes a flush-draw possible and i have a set, i bet nearly pot-size, this makes it mathematically for my opponent false, to call. If he hits, ok, lucky donk. But in the most times - about 65%- we will win.
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I was expecting a thread about people calling and hitting flush draws, not idiots calling stupid cards preflop and hitting miracles. Of course there is nothing you can do about that. This is just another thread alluding to claims that poker is fixed when of course it isn't. I'm sorry but asking us whether we have been having a lot of recent bad beats involving runner runner flushes is a ridiculous question and you should know that variance effects us all differently.
When people push all-in preflop there really isn't much to analyse. You can't control the hand once your chips are in. So how can we give you advice to stop idiots catching cards.
I'm sorry if I sound harsh but these pointless questions annoy me so much.
No way to play against that. Only make a big bet ( don't give enough odds to call ) and trust in variance. In the long time, you will win. We always remember when we lose these hands ( all of us lose every day hands like that or even worse ) but ... do you remember how many pots have you won with a dominant hand against a flush draw?
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Posted by DaMessiah666: No way to play against that. Only make a big bet ( don't give enough odds to call ) and trust in variance. In the long time, you will win. We always remember when we lose these hands ( all of us lose every day hands like that or even worse ) but ... do you remember how many pots have you won with a dominant hand against a flush draw?
While I trusted in variance I had nothing. When I started playing like a donkey maniac, it started being quite well. I really want to learn, but every time I play by the book something goes wrong. Maybe it's the wrong book.
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As someone said here.. for every donkey in your case scenario there's 10 losing. The point here is, you have KK other players can raise all they want, and I, personally woulnd't like to go all in ANY pre-flop hand (even AA), but, that's not enterly up to us, so if someone is pushing you ALL-IN and you are holding KK, I think you must call. The point is, you can lose, but you will win a lot more times in the same situations calling with KK. About donkeys, well, I don't play high stakes but I guess in $5 tourneys buy-ins there shouldn't be many of them (not saying fishes, but donkeys), so I am suprised this can happend multiple times in $5 buy-in tourneys. When I play freerolls (which happends quite often since I'm a fish) I happend to come with players doing all-in almost every hand, and it really puts you in jeopardy, because you can wait for a premuim, you are seeing Doneky goes all in this time too but you hold QQ, you call and with his 58o he hits three of a kind. It's really frustrating, the only way around is build your bankroll and leave freerolls, and as you get better, and higher tourneys, donkeys will dissapear.
