Joined: Nov '10
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Posted by fracas: jj is 95.6% a folder for me, only ever comes off very rarely on small stakes. donks will always call with an ace or king high and hit something, especially on bigbet .
I understand losing big pots with JJ but folding 95% of the time is crazy. Only 3 hands are favorites against JJ. Got to know where your at post flop and not be so stuborn to take them all the way.
Joined: Feb '09
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Usual raise for me. Annoying when they call with kj and hit the K though. Happens to me a lot on the low stakes I play at FTP. Just have to be more careful I suppose.
Joined: Oct '08
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jj is a hard hand and i would say i play it differently in different situations ie ring games and tourney's...i would say if the hand makes it to the flop and depending on what my raise was preflop and how many people followed would make me adjust my play...if its top pair then its def worth raising if its not ...it might be worth following depending on what your stack is and what the bets are.... but def have to learn to fold it or any hand if it becomes weak
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Posted by doomdy: I luv JJ, my favourate startin hand after AA KK QQ
You must know how to play it, on a Axx Kxx Qxx flop doesnt allways mean ur behind, just play smart.
Maybe yes.... but more times on Axx u're behind. Much more often then Kxx , Qxx ^^. I always play 99-JJ similar , sometimes 3bet pre JJ against overaggro , sometimes i just play for set mining... all depends with which players u're playing.
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I think one important thing while playing JJ is knowing what u up against. opponent's calling range, betting pattern certainly helps u in winning more pots or avoiding losses. u need to play it aggressive but dnt go overboard and always keep urself option of letting it go away when met with strong resistance. i tend to play it like a middle pair at full ring unless shortstacked or up against shortstack. and at 6 player tables i play it like QQ, i think QQ can be bit more tricky to play sometimes as its easier to let go of JJ than QQ. but most important thing is dont forget its just a pair
Joined: Aug '08
Location: Netherlands
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TT and JJ is the most difficult pairs, To high to fold preflop most times, 3 bet never calculate the implieds on the low flops and dont forgot pre still favorite 50+ chance on overcards, Its difficult to get the max with that pairs, Prize, Value is that right then get the max
this video was posted earlier here on forum and remember that I couldnt stop laughing !so you can see how to play with JJ,he,he!ah you can lose with JJ like every hand and there is no rule how to play,you can be agressive on flop if you see small cards and you think that you have best hand and then he show QQ!so its all about player againts you and if you can to see how he play hands and to decide how you gonna push him out!
JJ is the hardest starting hand to play. Too strong to give up easily, but can easily be dominated by the river with a wide range of hands. When I play them, I'm looking for a set on the flop. If that doesn't happen than I will proceed with caution.
Joined: Dec '10
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I only play JJ 2 ways. For me, it depends on position. If I am early in position I *over raise* so I weed out the hands such as A-rag and worse. Depending on the maniacs in the field this should help you win the hand on the flop with a posture bet.
If I am in late position with a lot of limpers or a raise behind me I just flat call and try to work with the board. In that position, most likely anything you do there will be called. I also follow a 2 raise max rule in late position with JJ. 2 or more raises before me and I auto-fold.
Joined: Jul '10
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Yeah just lost at final table of a small tourney. Had JJ on button, 4 left big stack raises I ship to give him fold equity but ofcourse get called by 2 over cards AQ off suite A flop queen river and from 2nd in chips to 4th place
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I understand your feelings wesleyj. Absolutely. Even tough I learned from you guys that pocket J's is ok to let go. I nearly cry when I have to fold them, but better to fold than loosing my stack
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Posted by wesleyj: Yeah just lost at final table of a small tourney. Had JJ on button, 4 left big stack raises I ship to give him fold equity but ofcourse get called by 2 over cards AQ off suite A flop queen river and from 2nd in chips to 4th place
With 4 left u absolutely cant fold JJ in this spot, so be happy u jammed it cos its totally EV+ to do. In fact folding JJ in this spot is horrible. Just ul, next game.
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