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In the last 3 days, including tonight in The Big Game at Poker Stars. I have seen AA, 12 times at my tables. Out of those 12 times, I have held them 3 times. I have only seen them win 2 hands. Most hands were all in preflop, with 1 that I can remember was pro flop. Surprisingly enough I only won once, that was just about 30 mins ago. AA seems to be the real loser right now on line. Makes me want to fold them, but how can you against only 1 or 2 people. Oh well, that's poker folks (Doyle Brunson).
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lol 3 days i feel like ive been running bad for 3 months lmao, then again ive been playing bollox alot of the time and along with a bit of bad luck its painfull
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AA is only a pair. You can expect to win around 80% of your hands against one opponent, not 100%. Against more than one opponent your chances will drop.
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I never understand these people that lose their AA all the time lol. I mean, ok sure - sometimes variance must kick you in the ass.. but com'on ! How often ?? I seriously wonder about how these muppets play pocket rockets.. I am guessing poorly.. Because I been playing online poker for over 2 years and poker in general for quite a few years.. and I VERY rarely lose with aces.. especially preflop.. But even post.. And if I do - it's RARELY at showdown - it's generally because there has been post flop play that has made me lay them down.
Seriously, as shokaku says - against 1 opponent statistically they'll hold up around 80% of the time.. If you're losing with AA regularly then you're doing it wrong.
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aa in my hands have winings only 6 times per 10 then i was holding them and i allways know that i have about 60 % to win its 10 % only more then u have 50 / 50 so nothing special about aa loosing in live poker u ll also can see so many aa holders loosing thm pots better luck next time and good luck all the poker players
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Posted by mazas: aa in my hands have winings only 6 times per 10 then i was holding them and i allways know that i have about 60 % to win its 10 % only more then u have 50 / 50 so nothing special about aa loosing in live poker u ll also can see so many aa holders loosing thm pots better luck next time and good luck all the poker players
lol AA is far greater than 60% to win against one opponent... You should be winning more than 6/10
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Sometimes it seems like you can't do anything right, or that you couldn't hit a barn door. I find that when my focus is off, either due to tilt or external factors, my level of play drops off dramatically. When this happens but I still feel like playing I'll usually switch to very low buy-ins or blinds so that my bankroll doesn't get a beating. GL!
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Posted by jessthehuman:
Posted by mazas: aa in my hands have winings only 6 times per 10 then i was holding them and i allways know that i have about 60 % to win its 10 % only more then u have 50 / 50 so nothing special about aa loosing in live poker u ll also can see so many aa holders loosing thm pots better luck next time and good luck all the poker players
lol AA is far greater than 60% to win against one opponent... You should be winning more than 6/10
You can't win if the cards NEVER come up. I guess those who have had them and lost aren't as good as those of you who win with them. Yeah right.. Was just making an observation, and you think that just because you got AA you should win over 60% of the time. BS
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Statistically, you will get pocket AA1 in every 220 hands dealt. Against 1 opponent, your odds are over 80%, every one knows that.
This will surprise many (it did me), but against 9 opponents, your odds drop down to 31% !! So you will lose more than 2 out of 3 times going all-in pre-flop against the whole table. Against 4-5 opponents, you´re doing a coinflip at about 50%.
Because statistics is what it is, I´va actually gone more than a week of daily playing without getting pocket AA dealt. I´ve also gone a Month (!!) (just before I quit for a while), where my AA held up Pre-flop only 3 out of 10 times against 1 or 2 opponents. I´ve also been dealt AA 4 times in only 1 10-seat SnG!
There really are no surprises. The possible statistical combinations at a 10-seat table considering both value, colour, and seat position are SO huge, it´s mind-boggling. (with some decent searching on Google, you´ll find that it runs into Billions).
After really spending some time looking all that up, nothing really surprises me in what I see at the tables....ever....
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Posted by dannochiana: AA on bwin twice one after another, all-in in pre-flop, din't won at least once. ( I think that that is plain wrong, how can that be?
dannochiana... Did you actually READ what I just wrote here? Obviously not, or you wouldn´t have posted what you did.
It really serves no purpose posting random "anythings" if you don´t actually follow or read what people say, does it?
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[QUOTE]Posted by IslandJack: Statistically, you will get pocket AA1 in every 220 hands dealt. Against 1 opponent, your odds are over 80%, every one knows that.
maybe it was statistic but every one can count themselfs and for me is just 6 aa wining in 10 times i start count it about 7 months ago and now have statistic for me in all poker sites then i ll play its a little more then 61 % off wining its my and only my personal statistic u can also count yours and see how good aa was for u good luck and have fun
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Posted by mazas: [QUOTE]Posted by IslandJack: Statistically, you will get pocket AA1 in every 220 hands dealt. Against 1 opponent, your odds are over 80%, every one knows that.
maybe it was statistic but every one can count themselfs and for me is just 6 aa wining in 10 times i start count it about 7 months ago and now have statistic for me in all poker sites then i ll play its a little more then 61 % off wining its my and only my personal statistic u can also count yours and see how good aa was for u good luck and have fun
I wasn´t countering what you wrote mazas, I was supporting it. There are SO many possible hand combinations that even over a long period of time, anyone can get 90% or 60% with their AA pre-flop. You need maybe 500.000+ or a lot more hands played to hit that average exactly, and that´s some years of play at least...
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to hit more then 500 000 aa preflop is for me i think never becouse i am not a monster off playing poker i play about 20 -24 hours per weak sometimes 30 hours but now summer will comes very soon and again my poker playing time per weak will be 6 -10 hours (maximum ) anyway i thin we must stop this our wroting on this post good luck at the tables
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Get a tracker > Post a pic of it where you are loosing much more then 20-30% in 100-200+ hands at least > Start topic. People remember only when they are loosing because they think AA shouldn't loose, but when they are winning a lot it's just standard so why to remember?
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Posted by mazas: to hit more then 500 000 aa preflop is for me i think never becouse i am not a monster off playing poker i play about 20 -24 hours per weak sometimes 30 hours but now summer will comes very soon and again my poker playing time per weak will be 6 -10 hours (maximum ) anyway i thin we must stop this our wroting on this post good luck at the tables
lol...no, I meant play 500.000+ hands (any hand) before the averages start to become "normal". Not 500.000 AA... that would take 10 lifetimes, I think.
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Posted by shokaku: AA is only a pair. .
well said it is only a pair abut alot of people refuse to lay it down when its clear they are beat, if im playing bad maybe something i can do. a nightmare flop is you raise it up guy calls and out pops KJQ its a god damn horrible flop for As and i try to do heavy pot control because its just the kind of board the guy could want to crack your As KQ/KJ ect. you see people all the time on these kind of boards still throwing there chips around when the other guy is showing alot of strenth. anyway AA is a great hand and you should win with it alot more as others say but you also have to remember its only a pair and it can get cracked and be able to lay it down
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So the conclusion should be that ONLINE poker is not rigged because OFfline poker is rigged more ? cha cha cha Watch that video with royal flush against quads aces is this not rigged?
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This isnt poker, if you people think these sites run true programs then i suggest you stop drinking your bath water. These sites are designed to protect the weak and stupid, they need to or a herd of donkeys would be steamrolling for the exits.
------------ To all you idiots that replied by saying its only a pair and they are only 80 percent preflop against one other do you not see what BMWman is really stating?? Did he say that he expected to win every hand or was he mentioning the oddity of the amount of times aces were dealt in relation to winning? Twelve times he saw aces dealt and thats just the number he saw, imagine how many were no shows during play and he then mentions he saw them win only twice. I am sure most of you just want to reply to each email because you think you know what your talking about but please use better judgement. Lets do the math, 12 times dealt and they held up twice which equals about 16 percent, and against 2 or 3 other players in the pot your still better then that, so keep your juvenilecomments to yoursleves. Like this one....AA is only a pair and you can only expect to win 80% of the time against one opponent not 100% ...WOW a classic case of look at me say something even though it has nothing to do with the issue...(((names will not be mentioned to protect the stupid))))....
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Posted by jbuc1: This isnt poker, if you people think these sites run true programs then i suggest you stop drinking your bath water. These sites are designed to protect the weak and stupid, they need to or a herd of donkeys would be steamrolling for the exits.
------------ To all you idiots that replied by saying its only a pair and they are only 80 percent preflop against one other do you not see what BMWman is really stating?? Did he say that he expected to win every hand or was he mentioning the oddity of the amount of times aces were dealt in relation to winning? Twelve times he saw aces dealt and thats just the number he saw, imagine how many were no shows during play and he then mentions he saw them win only twice. I am sure most of you just want to reply to each email because you think you know what your talking about but please use better judgement. Lets do the math, 12 times dealt and they held up twice which equals about 16 percent, and against 2 or 3 other players in the pot your still better then that, so keep your juvenilecomments to yoursleves. Like this one....AA is only a pair and you can only expect to win 80% of the time against one opponent not 100% ...WOW a classic case of look at me say something even though it has nothing to do with the issue...(((names will not be mentioned to protect the stupid))))....
I do see that this is your first post and i do understand your point of view but if you call people stupid just because they don't answer in way you expect them to answer than all the forummembers are stupid and you will be the only smart one over here as we reply in way we want even when the answer does not correspondent 100 % with the thread . Maybe after a while when you start to know other members in a different way and how things are going on over here you will show some more respect and don't call people stupid just because you dislike or disagree with their replies .
( I think that that is plain wrong, how can that be?
