Joined: Mar '11
Location: Croatia
Age: 43 (M)
Posts: 1738
Was handed A Q . had 80.000 chips and blinds were 20.000/10.000. the table was tight enough and everyone was playing aggressive so, seeing that the bb was also the small stack (only 30.000 left) i forced all-in. got called all-in to my left and chip leader after that also called. the first one to call had KK and the big stack showed 44. flop: another 4 and the rest was history . finished 12th in a 784 field so i figure it wasn't that bad, still, i wonder if i could have played it different. flat call was out of the question and raising also seemed to serve no purpose coz i would still had to put half my stack in. so should i have folded? would like to know what do you guys think.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 1158
freeroll or cash game,need more info.if it a freeroll thats just the way it is.thats poker for you.why not call.once you went all in you had no options lefts.you still had enough cash to call,then when old mate went all in then next bloke your odds suffered.you could have gone further.so,next time call.wait for reraise the asses the situation.keep the options open.
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 1859
Posted by scl1975: freeroll or cash game,need more info.if it a freeroll thats just the way it is.thats poker for you.why not call.once you went all in you had no options lefts.you still had enough cash to call,then when old mate went all in then next bloke your odds suffered.you could have gone further.so,next time call.wait for reraise the asses the situation.keep the options open.
He said blinds were already 10000/20000 with 80K stack and he said he finished 12th,so pretty clearly a tourney xD
Joined: Dec '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 2087
calling is not an option really you did the right thing, calling your giving other guys the chance to get in cheap and out flop you, in most cases they would of folded behind. You got unlucky but calling is stupid just to leave yourself with 2 and a half bb if you miss the flop and AQ suited is to big of a hand to fold with your chips stack
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 1158
woops i ment was it a freeroll or a buy in tourney.my bad.i disagree with you tho flipped.i see that same mistake over and over.we all play different.he still would have had 50000.once you all in it a lotto anyway.i used to do same,but since i stopped this i win more often.i leave myself with more options.he could have gain a few more places easily.
Joined: Feb '11
Location: Germany
Age: 31 (M)
Posts: 1859
Posted by scl1975: woops i ment was it a freeroll or a buy in tourney.my bad.i disagree with you tho flipped.i see that same mistake over and over.we all play different.he still would have had 50000.once you all in it a lotto anyway.i used to do same,but since i stopped this i win more often.i leave myself with more options.he could have gain a few more places easily.
Having less than 10BB and not just shoving is always a bad play unless you've got a premium hand you want to trap with. Playing postflop with such a stack brings us in difficult situations way more often,also shoving gives you more equity (fold equity obv.) which doesnt exist when limping.
Joined: Dec '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 2087
i was going to say alot but no point you have suited AQ its not even an issue with 4 bb auto shove, to say any different is just nonsense man i mean ffs are you saying if a guy behinds you shoves your folding? at that late stage people will shove over the top of you with way less than AQ and imo you dont have the option to leave yourself with 2.5bb its just stupid.
Joined: May '09
Location: India
Age: 37 (M)
Posts: 4873
like flippedchips said playing it anyway different is just nonsense,, you are too shortstacked to do anything else. if you win you can reach final table and by folding you are just gonna gain 1/2 places.
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
Posted by scl1975: freeroll or cash game,need more info.if it a freeroll thats just the way it is.thats poker for you.why not call.once you went all in you had no options lefts.you still had enough cash to call,then when old mate went all in then next bloke your odds suffered.you could have gone further.so,next time call.wait for reraise the asses the situation.keep the options open.
This is some of the worst advice I have ever seen.
If you flat call a raise when you have 4bb left, your game needs a lot of work. (Unless as somebody else mentioned; you're trying to trap with AA/KK).
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 1158
yeah yeah yeah,u guys read to many books.dunno bout you guys but ive won 5 tournament at my local casino this year alone ,,with ,this so called crappy kind of play,for a total profit of $14,650.how you guys doin.caus i can lay down a hand.its always a lotto going allin preflop,as happened,we all play different,how has your games been this year guys.bet not as good as mine,mmmmm,wonder why,he still had say 8 more hands to build a stack with.we could argue all day,you guys would have all busted out and i would have kept going.so.he could have called for 20000,still had 60000,when old mate with kk most likely reraised all in mr 44 would have called he could have seen 2 players going in preflop already.he could have got out.to jessthehuman,what state you live in,how bout a friendly game to diprove you statement.put your money where you mouth is.i fly anywhere,or drive,2000 ks is only a 24 hr drive or a 2 hr plane ride.let play.
I do not think u did anything wrong at all cos u were left with only 4BBs, AQ suited facing a 30K stack is just standard shove with that hand...from my point of view.
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
Posted by scl1975: yeah yeah yeah,u guys read to many books.dunno bout you guys but ive won 5 tournament at my local casino this year alone ,,with ,this so called crappy kind of play,for a total profit of $14,650.how you guys doin.caus i can lay down a hand.its always a lotto going allin preflop,as happened,we all play different,how has your games been this year guys.bet not as good as mine,mmmmm,wonder why,he still had say 8 more hands to build a stack with.we could argue all day,you guys would have all busted out and i would have kept going.so.he could have called for 20000,still had 60000,when old mate with kk most likely reraised all in mr 44 would have called he could have seen 2 players going in preflop already.he could have got out.to jessthehuman,what state you live in,how bout a friendly game to diprove you statement.put your money where you mouth is.i fly anywhere,or drive,2000 ks is only a 24 hr drive or a 2 hr plane ride.let play.
lol wow that settles it. You're right - next time I am in a tourney and down to my last 4bb and I wake up to AQs I'll fold and wait for a better spot.
------------ oh I am in Melbourne by the way. But I'm not quite sure how meeting you would prove anything - what are we gonna do ? Play 100 HU matches (to even out the variance? Join an MTT - whoever lasts the longest is best? That is dumb, I could bust out with AA vs 27o allin pre to a 777 flop and that doesn't prove anything. We gonna both join 100 MTTs together ? Even out the variance ?
Anything other than a shove in that spot is just bad. I don't care how many tourneys you've won. It's just bad.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 1158
yeah nothing gunna settle this,i play my way and so does everyone.allin allin allin allin.at end of the day,poker is a little luck,a little skill,and a little smack talk.you have to be playing the hand to make a decision,its too late afterwards to decide what if.now if i could win back the $200000 ive lost on slots id be happy.
Joined: Dec '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 2087
i seen you agree with online joke on one of his threads maybe this is why your good hands dont hold as you let people in cheap to out flop you and then say its rigged when you lose
Joined: Apr '09
Location: Australia
Age: 40 (M)
Posts: 6483
Posted by Flippedchips: i seen you agree with online joke on one of his threads maybe this is why your good hands dont hold as you let people in cheap to out flop you and then say its rigged when you lose
Yeah- I thought I remembered this guy as being a rigtard, I wasn't sure. But that does make sense what you are saying flipped.
------------
Posted by shokaku: You are down to 4 BB. So the problem is not this hand, easy shove with AQs, but before. Don't get blinded away in such a manner.
Generally speaking you are right - however - with this little information you cannot actually know why he is down to 4bb. He may have just lost a big hand..
------------
Posted by scl1975: now if i could win back the $200000 ive lost on slots id be happy.
Are you serious ? Or just taking the piss?
I had a massive issue/problem with the slots (aussie pokies) for many years, seriously fucked my life up. I actually still to this day let my girlfriend manage the bank accounts (I don't keep an atm card on me). I just carry whatever money I need for day-day expenses, but never allow myself to be in a position where I can access the main bank account.. Because I know, for me, all it would take is one bad day.. Haven't played slots/pokies in a long time now (couple years).
Poker (online) actually really helps, it doesn't cost me much and while I am playing poker I don't feel like gambling otherwise... I still gamble waaay too much in poker (i.e; no bankroll management) - but it's nothing like dropping $XXX in casino in a couple hours like I used too.
Joined: Mar '11
Location: Germany
Age: 55 (M)
Posts: 1242
In my opinion there is no other way of playing this, shoving here is a must with just 4bb left. Facing KK and 44 in this situation is just bad luck. But there is no more time to wait for better hands.
Joined: Mar '08
Location: Australia
Age: 49 (M)
Posts: 1158
yep lost over $200000,thats a minimum estimation,whats your problem flipped,you bag everyone,cant take a joke,well jokes on you.you sent us to the best country,AUSTRALIA,so hahahah,take your crap weather,you warm beer,and your ugly girls,and be miserable.your a lonely,lonely man.oh im in england for work at christmas if you want to settle this.
Joined: Dec '09
Location: United Kingdom
Age: 42 (M)
Posts: 2087
lol how do i bag everyone wtf you talking about, i also never sent you to aus either, i know plenty tidy chics and what you talking about the beers warm you think im in the jungle in africa without a fridge lmao im also not from england! all i said was calling is a stupid ass thing to do with 4bb and it seems everyone agrees apart from you as any sensible person would agree
Q 
. finished 12th in a 784 field so i figure it wasn't that bad, still, i wonder if i could have played it different. flat call was out of the question and raising also seemed to serve no purpose coz i would still had to put half my stack in. so should i have folded?
and AQ suited is to big of a hand to fold with your chips stack
