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Quite tricky. Against a random hand AQ ia slightly better than QJ, but if opponent had hit the K, QJ is better than AQ. QJ has more outs, but when you hit with AQ it is the nuts. Sometimes QJ will lose a stack against Axs, when there is a flush over flush situation.
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Posted by arsenej1: kinda dumb question but feel like talkin poker...
ive ran into this scenerio a few times the last few days and courious to which hand u would prefer on flop?
flop comes k 5 10 .....would u prefer to hold J Q for the open ended straight, plus a flush draw? or Q A for the nut flush draw and gutshot?
it actually doenst matter. i do call, raise, shove, bluff with that kind of hand+flop lol i was gonna say QJs but after a short thinking im no more sure ok yes QJs it is. simply because it has more outs.
edit: do i know the opponents hand ? so i can choose which one i would like to have? if i dont know his hand then i do prefer QJs for sure, but if i know it then AQs..
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yea im QJ to lots of outs and easier to hit, ok other guy could have the nut flush draw but he prob dont lol and if he does you have a few of his outs and you can hit your str8 and he will keep calling your bets and if both of you miss the flop well 3rd bet should take it down
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i would prefer to hold AQ in most cases but would feel safer holding jq too just knowing i got the extra outs... always had me stuck here everytime i see it i woulder which i would prefer. i guess it depends if im on a cash table with just a buyin id rather jq knowing if i dont hit i can rebuy. but deep in a tourny i would rather AQ and play it smoothly
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Posted by TheMachineQC: AQ for me cause if someone has the nut flush draq, your QJ just lost all the flush outs... And of course the overcard is always good against a K!
Posted by dozn01: if you take the q j your opponet could be holding the nut flush draw??? think about that so ace queen is the better hand
Well it all depends how my opponent plays. Of course I'll prefer different hand vs. nit and a little bit different vs. TAG. And when you face total donk then it doesn't matter. He will call your Q-high with so many weaker hands that it's still +EV.
But when it's tight, good opponent then I would like to hold QJ. Again it depends on many factors - for example who was initial raiser etc. etc. There are ranges vs. which I would like to have an overcard and nut flush draw, there are ranges that are +EV when you hold QJ. So there is no one, simple answer to that question.
When you are playing vs. nit you can go to hell with your overcard But again - IT DEPENDS. If he just called pf then he probably won't have aces or kings etc, etc... If he has aces or kings then your ace won't help you.
But I would take QJ, because it's good vs. any opponent imo - tight, loose, nit, fish. Well, fish could hold something like Adxd, but then you still have 12 outs and he has 9 (or 12, but if he'll hit for example 3 on the turn with A3s you still have 12 outs), because ace won't help him. Like I said vs. TAG/nit you'll be probably behind with any hand, he will have AA, KK, QQ, AK, perhaps KT, KQ (depends on action pre flop). In most of hands vs. tight opponents you just need to hit the flush - he won't have many suited aces in his range.
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Posted by LooseKiddie:
Posted by dozn01: if you take the q j your opponet could be holding the nut flush draw??? think about that so ace queen is the better hand
Well it all depends how my opponent plays. Of course I'll prefer different hand vs. nit and a little bit different vs. TAG. And when you face total donk then it doesn't matter. He will call your Q-high with so many weaker hands that it's still +EV.
But when it's tight, good opponent then I would like to hold QJ. Again it depends on many factors - for example who was initial raiser etc. etc. There are ranges vs. which I would like to have an overcard and nut flush draw, there are ranges that are +EV when you hold QJ. So there is no one, simple answer to that question.
When you are playing vs. nit you can go to hell with your overcard But again - IT DEPENDS. If he just called pf then he probably won't have aces or kings etc, etc... If he has aces or kings then your ace won't help you.
But I would take QJ, because it's good vs. any opponent imo - tight, loose, nit, fish. Well, fish could hold something like Adxd, but then you still have 12 outs and he has 9 (or 12, but if he'll hit for example 3 on the turn with A3s you still have 12 outs), because ace won't help him. Like I said vs. TAG/nit you'll be probably behind with any hand, he will have AA, KK, QQ, AK, perhaps KT, KQ (depends on action pre flop). In most of hands vs. tight opponents you just need to hit the flush - he won't have many suited aces in his range.
So imo QJ FTW
This.
Can't really give a real answer without more informations,but generally it'd be JQs.
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Welcome to the forum, TheMachineQC and Donelf, I agree I'd take either. But seeing as Arsenej1 has forced us to choose . . . I'd take the AQs, for similar reasons as Dozn mentioned. Having the nut flush when your opponent has a lesser flush usually pays well and I'd rather put myself in line for that possibility. Straights be damned.
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Posted by Arithmajik: Welcome to the forum, TheMachineQC and Donelf, I agree I'd take either. But seeing as Arsenej1 has forced us to choose . . . I'd take the AQs, for similar reasons as Dozn mentioned. Having the nut flush when your opponent has a lesser flush usually pays well and I'd rather put myself in line for that possibility. Straights be damned.
lol i was just playing with donelf hes been here for 3years with just 5 posts so if i can force a 6th outta him why not
Yes I only started posting like a week ago... But don't worry I won't stop now, I like this forum!
Now about the post... Of course the royal draw is always nice to see but I think AQ has more outs against most hands so is a better hand in general. But as loosekiddie said, it also depends on the type of player you're against in the hand.
Posted by dozn01: if you take the q j your opponet could be holding the nut flush draw??? think about that so ace queen is the better hand
Well it all depends how my opponent plays. Of course I'll prefer different hand vs. nit and a little bit different vs. TAG. And when you face total donk then it doesn't matter. He will call your Q-high with so many weaker hands that it's still +EV.
But when it's tight, good opponent then I would like to hold QJ. Again it depends on many factors - for example who was initial raiser etc. etc. There are ranges vs. which I would like to have an overcard and nut flush draw, there are ranges that are +EV when you hold QJ. So there is no one, simple answer to that question.
When you are playing vs. nit you can go to hell with your overcard But again - IT DEPENDS. If he just called pf then he probably won't have aces or kings etc, etc... If he has aces or kings then your ace won't help you.
But I would take QJ, because it's good vs. any opponent imo - tight, loose, nit, fish. Well, fish could hold something like Adxd, but then you still have 12 outs and he has 9 (or 12, but if he'll hit for example 3 on the turn with A3s you still have 12 outs), because ace won't help him. Like I said vs. TAG/nit you'll be probably behind with any hand, he will have AA, KK, QQ, AK, perhaps KT, KQ (depends on action pre flop). In most of hands vs. tight opponents you just need to hit the flush - he won't have many suited aces in his range.
So imo QJ FTW
lmao a simple answer like queen jack is what i like better, but you lose the hand i hit my nut flush on the river. cheers anyway
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I would take the QJ, more difficult to discover. If you have AQ and get a diamond on the river, it's nice to have nuts, but not so easy to make others pay with 3 diamonds on the table.
So QJ it's a nice OSDS and a good flush draw to win some money
Posted by dozn01: if you take the q j your opponet could be holding the nut flush draw??? think about that so ace queen is the better hand
Well it all depends how my opponent plays. Of course I'll prefer different hand vs. nit and a little bit different vs. TAG. And when you face total donk then it doesn't matter. He will call your Q-high with so many weaker hands that it's still +EV.
But when it's tight, good opponent then I would like to hold QJ. Again it depends on many factors - for example who was initial raiser etc. etc. There are ranges vs. which I would like to have an overcard and nut flush draw, there are ranges that are +EV when you hold QJ. So there is no one, simple answer to that question.
When you are playing vs. nit you can go to hell with your overcard But again - IT DEPENDS. If he just called pf then he probably won't have aces or kings etc, etc... If he has aces or kings then your ace won't help you.
But I would take QJ, because it's good vs. any opponent imo - tight, loose, nit, fish. Well, fish could hold something like Adxd, but then you still have 12 outs and he has 9 (or 12, but if he'll hit for example 3 on the turn with A3s you still have 12 outs), because ace won't help him. Like I said vs. TAG/nit you'll be probably behind with any hand, he will have AA, KK, QQ, AK, perhaps KT, KQ (depends on action pre flop). In most of hands vs. tight opponents you just need to hit the flush - he won't have many suited aces in his range.
So imo QJ FTW
lmao a simple answer like queen jack is what i like better, but you lose the hand i hit my nut flush on the river. cheers anyway
If you are holding Axs there then you win but then I'd love to play millions of hands vs. your range with my QJs so you win the battle, not the war!
And btw - it's poker, so don expect simple answers
In this case, I might opt for AQ as since both are flushing, the odds for another diamond drops, and basically the nut flush draw here seems like a better option.
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