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Posted by T3ddyKGB:
Posted by jovicakralj: But in last hour of tourney I couldnt pick up decent hand and with blind so high my chips started to melt down.
a couple days ago i was thinking the same as i played a big mtt. you play 2 hours a real good and serious poker, just to see it end up in a big bingo party when it comes to earn the money you have been working hard before to get there.
this time it went the other way. played for fun a mtt with low buyin (only 190 participants tho), been doing quite well then lost big time with KK to AJ (trips J). i rebuy at a time which was actually ridiculous, cos the blinds where as high as my stack lol - but o well like i said it was for fun. anyways somehow, im my tilt mood, i multipled my stack several times and won the tourny at end
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Posted by doomdy: The bigger the fields in MTT the higher the variance, 180mans MTT have not that big variance but 3000+ or 5000+ runners have big variance, so you have to multi them like hell (or have a very long patience). MTTs are called donkements for a reason, everybody can be a winner short run, and to be a winner long run its also not that hard, just play tight abc poker in the beginnning then do the icm thingy (i think you allready know that right? for wot i know ur a winner).
Imo MTTs (low and middle stakes) are worth grindable, so play 6/9 or 12 tables at a time and variance will even out in a couple of time.
Excactly this. The more players,the more variance will you expirience,on the other hand the more players,the higher ROI is achievable. On another note,stars is the only site where you could play exclusivly on one site if you are a MTT grinder with intentions of making serious money and getting enough volume in. No site can beat stars in profibility,tourney structure,tourney schedule and traffic.
And no the prize split is not unfair. In fact,on other sites it's even more top heavy than on stars. The only reason you dont notice is the less play time to get there from getting ITM to FT on the smaller sites.
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$27 after 7 hours its very few. I understand what you mean, you have the right to be pissed off, but you cant say you will never play again. You managed to play very well, bad things happen, and if you have already done til 27th, one or two games more and you will see yourself in the final table. To quit is not an option. You have to keep your strength on this. You know how to play on MTT's, that's why you are doing so well, and you have what is needed to go even further. I have a friend who once told me he went on a $11 MTT and, after 8hours playing, things went wrong in the final table and the last hand was his QJ against A6 and the table didnt gave none nothing, so he finished in 5th or 6th and won "only" (his words) $1,200. He was sad because he could have won more, but i told him, like i tell you "you should be happy", thats th spirit, you are among the best of the game, keep up the good work!
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I mean,I've played almost 1000 (scheduled) MTTs on stars so far. You (jovica) played only 137 MTTs there...you can't ever say it's unfair or something. 137 MTTs is nothing of a sample in MTTs. I've also only made 5 FTs during my almost 1000 MTTs on stars,and yet I have a ROI of 24% with over 1K profits. And that's just in MTTs like I said. I've also played loads of 45s and 180s that aren't included in this. Those are variance busters that will help you to overcome MTT variance,and might even prevent you from going busto (only if you're winning player though,of course) Obviously you won't get deep often in those big fields,when you then get deep on a FT for once,it makes up for all the losses you suffered to get there (basicly that's on every site,but on stars' micros it's the most extreme case)
So what I'd recommend you is instead of worrying about stars' payout structure,get some decent volume in (and no this does not mean only 10MTTs per week,this way I can imagine it taking you months to get deep in something (that would be standard variance)),and if you like smaller fields mix in some 45s and 180s into your sessions. I was also kinda sick of the variance when I was grinding MTTs only. I played like 10 per day on average and didnt even get fairly deep in anything for almost a month. Right now my focus is on 45 mans plus some MTTs,while the 45s are definitely better to get good volume in (I play about 50 games per day on average atm). They are also great for variance purposes. While in 45s a downswing will rarely go over a loss of more than 100 buy ins,microstakes MTT grinders can easily lose 300 buy ins.
So they key factors to grind MTTs is basicly: - self management - a healthy bankroll (100 average buy ins should be the absolute minimum) - motivation
If you don't have all of the above you shouldn't even bother with MTTs imo
Edited by BeMyATMplz (04 October 2011 @ 14:02 GMT)
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: I mean,I've played almost 1000 (scheduled) MTTs on stars so far. You (jovica) played only 137 MTTs there...you can't ever say it's unfair or something. 137 MTTs is nothing of a sample in MTTs. I've also only made 5 FTs during my almost 1000 MTTs on stars,and yet I have a ROI of 24% with over 1K profits. And that's just in MTTs like I said. I've also played loads of 45s and 180s that aren't included in this. Those are variance busters that will help you to overcome MTT variance,and might even prevent you from going busto (only if you're winning player though,of course) Obviously you won't get deep often in those big fields,when you then get deep on a FT for once,it makes up for all the losses you suffered to get there (basicly that's on every site,but on stars' micros it's the most extreme case)
So what I'd recommend you is instead of worrying about stars' payout structure,get some decent volume in (and no this does not mean only 10MTTs per week,this way I can imagine it taking you months to get deep in something (that would be standard variance)),and if you like smaller fields mix in some 45s and 180s into your sessions. I was also kinda sick of the variance when I was grinding MTTs only. I played like 10 per day on average and didnt even get fairly deep in anything for almost a month. Right now my focus is on 45 mans plus some MTTs,while the 45s are definitely better to get good volume in (I play about 50 games per day on average atm). They are also great for variance purposes. While in 45s a downswing will rarely go over a loss of more than 100 buy ins,microstakes MTT grinders can easily lose 300 buy ins.
So they key factors to grind MTTs is basicly: - self management - a healthy bankroll (100 average buy ins should be the absolute minimum) - motivation
If you don't have all of the above you shouldn't even bother with MTTs imo
You misunderstand me! I KNOW ALL THAT! I used to grind MTTs before on other rooms and I know all about variance on them. I know that is unreal to expect to be on final table every time when you get close. Im just saying that if you dont play big fields MTTs on regular basis then you should avoid those because its too big disappointment and too much time invested if you dont get FT. And probably you will not get to FT. If I decide to play those I will play 4 or 5 at same time and soon when Im out on 1 I would register to another. Its only way to play those seriously. Otherwise its just loss of time and money since you need to be unreal lucky to get on FT.
