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why does everyone hate russia's?  +1   
there was a thread here before asking this very question and heres MY answer,your a bunch of DONKEYDONKS that push normal players out of tourneys with your Russian calls,you all play any hands that a good player would fold in an instance,and i say this with a question to anyone else?Do you know 1 good Russian player????feck all Russians and i hope you get banned from playing poker you feckwits.....good luck all the non Russian Mobsters.... Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
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lol ive been where you are but there is lots of good russian players, i went through a russian thing a while ago as they kept donking me out of stuff but i get it more from other places now. The fact is there is s**t and good players everywhere

     
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lol @ complaining about bad calls and saying russia has no good players...I hope for you this thread is a joke

     
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Posted by Flippedchips:
lol ive been where you are but there is lots of good russian players, i went through a russian thing a while ago as they kept donking me out of stuff but i get it more from other places now. The fact is there is s**t and good players everywhere


Yeah exactly... Actually russians are usually good in maths, they always had good scientists and mathematicians ^^

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i answerd this question in another thread long ago..its not y ppl think they hate russians its cause there population in the online poker world defeats the rest by a landslide...

anyone remember schmoyster? he is russian and hasnt been back on this site for 4-5 months because ppl cant get anound the fact that russia is huge and think that cause they see 3-4 russians on one table u target all of them to be donks. who cares if there donks or not? if u were a good player u would be able to get over the sterio types u come up with and beat them at the table.

http://www.bankrollmob.com/mobster.asp?userid=118452



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here is my reply to the other thread if it helps u out at all.....................


weve all had encounters with aggressive players...dont think its fair to categorize players to the country were they live....come find arsenej1 at a table somtime and ull see aggressive .....im extreme agressor sometimes and tight passive other times....depends on the mood and other players around me. if your playing freeroles/1-2$ buyin game play will be differnt then 10-100$ games...someimes that is ive played 50$ games and swore i was in a 10$ freerole with 10000 players

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Posted by mandy1966:
LIKE THE RUSSIANS FECKIN DONKEY PLAYERS


if u noticed but this guys russian....there a big country its bound to happen seeing alot of aggressive russians....actually u probably dont even see many its just your all so hooked on the idea that there donks that u cant get away from it! ive played with many great russian players over the years. no ones gonna come on here saying players from ethiopia are donks because u dont see many from that country playing but if u ran into 2 in 1 day ur now gonna have an oppinion on the whole country...think yaz gotta look at the bigger picture

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heres the worlds population 2011...

Rank Countries Amount Date
# 1 China: 1,336,718,015 2011
# 2 India: 1,189,172,906 2011
# 4 United States: 313,232,044 2011
# 5 Indonesia: 245,613,043 2011
# 6 Brazil: 203,429,773 2011
# 7 Pakistan: 187,342,721 2011
# 8 Bangladesh: 158,570,535 2011
# 9 Nigeria: 155,215,573 2011
# 10 Russia: 138,739,892 2011
# 11 Japan: 126,475,664 2011
# 12 Mexico: 113,724,226 2011
# 13 Philippines: 101,833,938 2011
# 14 Ethiopia: 90,873,739 2011
# 15 Vietnam: 90,549,390 2011
# 16 Egypt: 82,079,636 2011
# 17 Germany: 81,471,834 2011
# 18 Turkey: 78,785,548 2011
# 19 Iran: 77,891,220 2011
# 20 Congo, Democratic Republic of the: 71,712,867 2011
# 21 Thailand: 66,720,153 2011
# 22 France: 65,102,719 2011
# 23 United Kingdom: 62,698,362 2011
# 24 Italy: 61,016,804 2011
# 25 Burma: 53,999,804 2011
# 26 South Africa: 49,004,031 2011
# 27 Korea, South: 48,754,657 2011
# 28 Spain: 46,754,784 2011
# 29 Ukraine: 45,134,707 2011
# 30 Sudan: 45,047,502 2011
# 31 Colombia: 44,725,543 2011
# 32 Tanzania: 42,746,620 2011
# 33 Argentina: 41,769,726 2011
# 34 Kenya: 41,070,934 2011
# 35 Poland: 38,441,588 2011
# 36 Algeria: 34,994,937 2011
# 37 Uganda: 34,612,250 2011
# 38 Canada: 34,030,589 2011
# 39 Morocco: 31,968,361 2011
# 40 Iraq: 30,399,572 2011
# 41 Afghanistan: 29,835,392 2011
# 42 Nepal: 29,391,883 2011
# 43 Peru: 29,248,943 2011
# 44 Malaysia: 28,728,607 2011
# 45 Uzbekistan: 28,128,600 2011
# 46 Venezuela: 27,635,743 2011
# 47 Saudi Arabia: 26,131,703 2011
# 48 Ghana: 24,791,073 2011
# 49 Korea, North: 24,457,492 2011
# 50 Yemen: 24,133,492 2011
# 51 Taiwan: 23,071,779 2011
# 52 Mozambique: 22,948,858 2011
# 53 Madagascar: 21,926,221 2011
# 54 Romania: 21,904,551 2011
# 55 Australia: 21,766,711 2011
# 56 Côte d'Ivoire: 21,504,162 2011
# 57 Sri Lanka: 21,283,913 2011
# 58 Syria: 19,747,586 2008
# 59 Cameroon: 19,711,291 2011
# 60 Chile: 16,888,760 2011
# 61 Netherlands: 16,847,007 2011
# 62 Burkina Faso: 16,751,455 2011
# 63 Niger: 16,468,886 2011
# 64 Malawi: 15,879,252 2011
# 65 Kazakhstan: 15,522,373 2011
# 66 Ecuador: 15,007,343 2011
# 67 Cambodia: 14,701,717 2011
# 68 Mali: 14,159,904 2011
# 69 Zambia: 13,881,336 2011
# 70 Guatemala: 13,824,463 2011
# 71 Angola: 13,338,541 2011
# 72 Senegal: 12,643,799 2011
# 73 Zimbabwe: 12,084,304 2011
# 74 Rwanda: 11,370,425 2011
# 75 Cuba: 11,087,330 2011
# 76 Portugal: 10,760,305 2011
# 77 Greece: 10,760,136 2011
# 78 Chad: 10,758,945 2011
# 79 Tunisia: 10,629,186 2011
# 80 Guinea: 10,601,009 2011
# 81 Belgium: 10,431,477 2011
# 82 Burundi: 10,216,190 2011
# 83 Czech Republic: 10,190,213 2011
# 84 Bolivia: 10,118,683 2011
# 85 Hungary: 9,976,062 2011
# 86 Dominican Republic: 9,956,648 2011
# 87 Somalia: 9,925,640 2011
# 88 Haiti: 9,719,932 2011
# 89 Belarus: 9,577,552 2011
# 90 Benin: 9,325,032 2011
# 91 Sweden: 9,088,728 2011
# 92 Azerbaijan: 8,372,373 2011
# 93 Austria: 8,217,280 2011
# 94 Honduras: 8,143,564 2011
# 95 Switzerland: 7,639,961 2011
# 96 Tajikistan: 7,627,200 2011
# 97 Israel: 7,473,052 2009
# 98 Serbia and Montenegro: 7,310,555 2011
# 99 Hong Kong: 7,122,508 2011
# 100 Bulgaria: 7,093,635 2011
# 101 Togo: 6,771,993 2011
# 102 Libya: 6,597,960 2011
# 103 Jordan: 6,508,271 2011
# 104 Laos: 6,477,211 2011
# 105 Paraguay: 6,459,058 2011
# 106 Papua New Guinea: 6,187,591 2011
# 107 El Salvador: 6,071,774 2011
# 108 Eritrea: 5,939,484 2011
# 109 Nicaragua: 5,666,301 2011
# 110 Kyrgyzstan: 5,587,443 2011
# 111 Denmark: 5,529,888 2011
# 112 Slovakia: 5,477,038 2011
# 113 Sierra Leone: 5,363,669 2011
# 114 Finland: 5,259,250 2011
# 115 United Arab Emirates: 5,148,664 2011
# 116 Turkmenistan: 4,997,503 2011
# 117 Central African Republic: 4,950,027 2011
# 118 Singapore: 4,740,737 2011
# 119 Norway: 4,691,849 2011
# 120 Ireland: 4,670,976 2011
# 121 Bosnia and Herzegovina: 4,622,163 2011
# 122 Georgia: 4,585,874 2011
# 123 Costa Rica: 4,576,562 2011
# 124 Croatia: 4,483,804 2011
# 125 Moldova: 4,314,377 2011
# 126 New Zealand: 4,290,347 2011
# 127 Congo, Republic of the: 4,243,929 2011
# 128 Lebanon: 4,143,101 2011
# 129 Puerto Rico: 3,989,133 2011
# 130 Liberia: 3,786,764 2011
# 131 Lithuania: 3,535,547 2011
# 132 Panama: 3,460,462 2011
# 133 Uruguay: 3,308,535 2011
# 134 Mauritania: 3,281,634 2011
# 135 Mongolia: 3,133,318 2011
# 136 Oman: 3,027,959 2011
# 137 Albania: 2,994,667 2011
# 138 Armenia: 2,967,975 2011
# 139 Jamaica: 2,868,380 2011
# 140 Kuwait: 2,595,628 2011
# 141 West Bank: 2,407,681 2008
# 142 Latvia: 2,204,708 2011
# 143 Namibia: 2,147,585 2011
# 144 Macedonia, Republic of: 2,077,328 2011
# 145 Botswana: 2,065,398 2011
# 146 Slovenia: 2,000,092 2011
# 147 Lesotho: 1,924,886 2011
# 148 Gambia, The: 1,797,860 2011
# 149 Guinea-Bissau: 1,596,677 2011
# 150 Gabon: 1,576,665 2011
# 151 Gaza Strip: 1,500,202 2008
# 152 Swaziland: 1,370,424 2011
# 153 Mauritius: 1,303,717 2011
# 154 Estonia: 1,282,963 2011
# 155 Trinidad and Tobago: 1,227,505 2011
# 156 Bahrain: 1,214,705 2011
# 157 East Timor: 1,177,834 2011
# 158 Cyprus: 1,120,489 2011
# 159 Fiji: 883,125 2011
# 160 Qatar: 848,016 2011
# 161 Comoros: 794,683 2011
# 162 Réunion: 787,584 2006
# 163 Djibouti: 757,074 2011
# 164 Guyana: 744,768 2011
# 165 Bhutan: 708,427 2011
# 166 Equatorial Guinea: 668,225 2011
# 167 Macau: 573,003 2011
# 168 Solomon Islands: 571,890 2011
# 169 Cape Verde: 516,100 2011
# 170 Luxembourg: 503,302 2011
# 171 Suriname: 491,989 2011
# 172 Guadeloupe: 452,776 2006
# 173 Martinique: 436,131 2006
# 174 Malta: 408,333 2011
# 175 Brunei: 401,890 2011
# 176 Maldives: 394,999 2011
# 177 Western Sahara: 393,831 2008
# 178 Belize: 321,115 2011
# 179 Bahamas, The: 313,312 2011
# 180 Iceland: 311,058 2011
# 181 French Polynesia: 294,935 2011
# 182 Barbados: 286,705 2011
# 183 New Caledonia: 256,275 2011
# 184 Netherlands Antilles: 225,369 2008
# 185 Vanuatu: 224,564 2011
# 186 Mayotte: 209,530 2011
# 187 French Guiana: 199,509 2006
# 188 Samoa: 193,161 2011
# 189 Guam: 183,286 2011
# 190 São Tomé and Príncipe: 179,506 2011
# 191 Saint Lucia: 161,557 2011
# 192 Virgin Islands: 109,666 2011
# 193 Grenada: 108,419 2011
# 194 Micronesia, Federated States of: 106,836 2011
# 195 Aruba: 106,113 2011
# 196 Tonga: 105,916 2011
# 197 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: 103,869 2011
# 198 Kiribati: 100,743 2011
# 199 Jersey: 94,161 2011
# 200 Seychelles: 89,188 2011
# 201 Antigua and Barbuda: 87,884 2011
# 202 Andorra: 84,825 2011
# 203 Man, Isle of: 84,655 2011
# 204 Dominica: 72,969 2011
# 205 Bermuda: 68,679 2011
# 206 American Samoa: 67,242 2011
# 207 Marshall Islands: 67,182 2011
# 208 Guernsey: 65,068 2011
# 209 Greenland: 57,670 2011
# 210 Cayman Islands: 51,384 2011
# 211 Saint Kitts and Nevis: 50,314 2011
# 212 Faroe Islands: 49,267 2011
# 213 Northern Mariana Islands: 46,050 2011
# 214 Turks and Caicos Islands: 44,819 2011
# 215 Liechtenstein: 35,236 2011
# 216 San Marino: 31,817 2011
# 217 Saint Martin: 30,615 2011
# 218 Monaco: 30,539 2011
# 219 Gibraltar: 28,956 2011
# 220 British Virgin Islands: 25,383 2011
# 221 Palau: 20,956 2011
# 222 Wallis and Futuna: 15,398 2011
# 223 Anguilla: 15,094 2011
# 224 Cook Islands: 11,124 2011
# 225 Tuvalu: 10,544 2011
# 226 Nauru: 9,322 2011
# 227 Saint Helena: 7,601 2008
# 228 Saint Barthelemy: 7,367 2011
# 229 Saint Pierre and Miquelon: 5,888 2011
# 230 Montserrat: 5,140 2011
# 231 Falkland Islands (Islas Malvinas): 3,140 2009
# 232 Norfolk Island: 2,169 2009
# 233 Svalbard: 2,019 2009
# 234 Christmas Island: 1,402 2010
# 235 Tokelau: 1,384 2009
# 236 Niue: 1,311 2009
# 237 Holy See (Vatican City): 832 2011
# 238 Cocos (Keeling) Islands: 596 2010
# 239 Johnston Atoll: 396 2004
# 240 Pitcairn Islands: 48 2009
Total: 6,924,393,757
Weighted average: 28,851,640.7


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as u can see russia is top 10.....after US was knocked out of the poker scene who do u think is gonna stand out?

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If we're going to play the blame game lets look at the poker rooms. How is it donks get away with all those donk calls and bets? They keep hittin and winnin so they'll keep playin that way until a deck goes cold. There are certain sites I won't play at for this very reason. It's the frequency of the suck outs and bad beats that get me going. So I realize in it's simplicity that I have a choice wheather or not I choose to play at these sites or not. I have my day when online supprot tries to get me to deposit...then I have my say...uaually...not a snowballs chance in hell.

     
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Let´s stop talking Bulls**t and be honest.

There are a LOT of Russian players the last few years.
They "mostly" play an "overly" agressive game of Poker, to the point of ridiculous.

NOT only the freerolls, but I see them in all games up to about $11 buy-ins.
Betting on all pocket holdings, overbetting the flop, raising EVERY turn to steal the blinds, bluffing on ANYTHING that falls on the flop, etc.

We´ve all seen it, we´ve all been victim to it.
It turns poker into a ridiculous game of "BAD Bluffs" and "gambling".

Í´ve been busted out of so many games, SnG and Tournaments. just because the guy got lucky on the river after terrorising the table with ridiculous raises and agression to the point of stupidity.
It just ruins Poker at all the micro and lower levels.

This is how it goes EVERY time:
Bluffing/raising every hand until YOU get a hand.
By then the lucky ones who remain have HUGE stacks.
You trap him and pull him all-in, and he hits a ridiculous suckout on the turn or river.

The problem is that there are SO MANY of them, that one will always screw you up.
When the Raising/bluffing idiot finally gets busted, the whole table is happy in the chat, and the game of Poker can get going again.

The main point:
I always check the Sharkscope· of the player in question (Russian, HUGE stack, betting EVERY turn)...and what do I see?
Losses ranging from a few $100 to $40.000+... Really !!
And these people are playing $6 Deepstacks!

F****** ridiculous.
Where do they get the cash?

@Arsene:

This time I don´t agree.
You can sit there waiting for decent cards to call their bluff, and end up getting busted by a suckout. Has happened enough times to me.
I always predict that these losers will not make the final table, and they don´t but they CAN cost you your whole Tournament on stupidity.
The problem is that you have to risk your whole tourney on an idiot getting lucky, just to be able to play at a normal table.

I´m NOT saying Russians are stupid or anything even close to that.
Their "frame of mind" is such that they think agression and Bluffing IS Poker, and that makes the whole thing a simple gamble in the end.
THEN..the governments are right, and Poker is gambling.

Germans can be extremely agressive, but it is "intelligent" agression, and that I respect.
The way these Russians play just makes me sick. It´s completely ridiculous.

And keep in mind: the increasing number of frustrated posts on the subject don´t lie, there is a problem there for regular players. At least at the micro ($10 or less) levels.
You need to buy-in at $20+ to avoid that garbage.

Yes, I played a few Tournaments today, and the Russians ruined it for everyone at my table in all of them, until they got busted, or I got busted trying to get rid of them.

Showing a list of world population figures just proves my point.
There are SO MANY of them !

BUT there are definitely good players in between the huge mess, but they don´t screw up everyones game, whatever it may be, at the lower levels.
At the higher levels, they don´t have a chance, because all the other players are good and they don´t last long on those tables.
On the lower levels where people like me try to make some final tables, they cost you everything, while only a small % can make it to the top and the final table. (usually NO Russians there!)

Just thought I should defend Callie, because these guys drive me nuts as well.
And...every buy-in under $10 feels like a freeroll!

FINALLY:
Just check their Sharkscope when you are playing with this kind of guy, it´s amazing how high their losses can get. Doesn´t make your winnings any higher, but it explains a lot.

Wish they had a "closed" network like the French.

     
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Posted by callie28:
there was a thread here before asking this very question and heres MY answer,your a bunch of DONKEYDONKS that push normal players out of tourneys with your Russian calls,you all play any hands that a good player would fold in an instance,and i say this with a question to anyone else?Do you know 1 good Russian player????feck all Russians and i hope you get banned from playing poker you feckwits.....good luck all the non Russian Mobsters.... Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile


I found many donks playing at microlimits and I can say that they are equally spreaded in every country's origin: Americans, Canadians, Russians, Germans, Italians etc.
I don't think that in Russia there are more donks than in other countries, and there are also some pros with nice results as Demidov, Losev.
Maybe in some poker rooms there is a bigger density of Russian donks?
Anyway with one thing I agree, if they collude and they collude or they speak in Russian where only English chat is allowed, they should be banned immediately!

     
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lol about rants about bad players...
Do you seriously want to play in fields infested with good players that play perfect?
People like those "evil russians" that play ridiculously bad are the ones that make the better players the money in the long run.
Without players like them,poker would be dead by now.
Whoever has a problem with losing players that make dumb moves has no idea about how to make profit in poker works and where it comes from.
The bad players will only add you equity,in the LONG RUN though.
Yes,it's actually true,poker is a game of the LONG RUN,not a few hands,you might not believe it,but its true.

However,since there is rarely a 0% chance in poker,you will lose from time to time.
Obv it's gonna tilt you if you lose to the dumbest idiot around,it's humans nature that you don't just look over that,but you should always think in terms of "thanks for making me money" instead of "OMFG THIS FUCKING GUY SUCKED ME OUT WUAAAHHH"

And I've seen someone saying "he gets annoyed when he faces them in freerolls" or something similar.
I mean wtf? If you wanna play realmoney poker,grow some balls,deposit and play on a skill level that you desire. I'd see no reason to play serious in a freeroll either (except for VIP freerolls that actually have a decent prizepool to play for of course).

Saying they always get lucky is kinda stupid as well.
But the true fact is,to win a tournament you will have to get through loads of tough spots and close situations.
Lets say you get into 5 all ins,where your chance of winning is 70/30 in your fsvour.
You will win most of these ,however,obviously you will rarely win all of them as well.
And then people think they're running bad,because they "lost with the best hand" while mathematicly they would have been eliminated before that situation already.

So yeah,to sum up,be happy that these russian donks (or donks from whatever nation) are even there. They keep the games alive.


     
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
lol about rants about bad players...
Do you seriously want to play in fields infested with good players that play perfect?
People like those "evil russians" that play ridiculously bad are the ones that make the better players the money in the long run.
Without players like them,poker would be dead by now.
Whoever has a problem with losing players that make dumb moves has no idea about how to make profit in poker works and where it comes from.
The bad players will only add you equity,in the LONG RUN though.
Yes,it's actually true,poker is a game of the LONG RUN,not a few hands,you might not believe it,but its true.

However,since there is rarely a 0% chance in poker,you will lose from time to time.
Obv it's gonna tilt you if you lose to the dumbest idiot around,it's humans nature that you don't just look over that,but you should always think in terms of "thanks for making me money" instead of "OMFG THIS FUCKING GUY SUCKED ME OUT WUAAAHHH"

And I've seen someone saying "he gets annoyed when he faces them in freerolls" or something similar.
I mean wtf? If you wanna play realmoney poker,grow some balls,deposit and play on a skill level that you desire. I'd see no reason to play serious in a freeroll either (except for VIP freerolls that actually have a decent prizepool to play for of course).

Saying they always get lucky is kinda stupid as well.
But the true fact is,to win a tournament you will have to get through loads of tough spots and close situations.
Lets say you get into 5 all ins,where your chance of winning is 70/30 in your fsvour.
You will win most of these ,however,obviously you will rarely win all of them as well.
And then people think they're running bad,because they "lost with the best hand" while mathematicly they would have been eliminated before that situation already.

So yeah,to sum up,be happy that these russian donks (or donks from whatever nation) are even there. They keep the games alive.




Woah Buddy!
Donks are nice to have...agreed!

Sitting at a table with 4 Russians trying to outbluff each other is NOT so nice.
In fact you are screwed!

Why do people look for Cash tables with a high % flop?
Because you can play your cards!!!

Tournaments with a high rate of exagerated betting decreases your chances of actually using your Brain!

Do you get that?

What if you are sitting there getting 83o, j2o, 63o..etc for an hour?
I´ll tell you:

You get blinded out because you can´t even see a flop!
Whatever you do they WILL call you.
Try a turbo table with 4 Russians.
Good luck Buddy!

PS:
Don´t want to sound like an idiot, but of course bad players are nice to have, but faced with SO may bluffers in a tournament...it all comes down to luck, and that is the only thing they "gamble" on.
That´s why the higher limits are different. (thank God)
You just need the Bankroll to play those limits......

Edited by IslandJack (05 October 2011 @ 03:52 GMT)


     
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Posted by IslandJack:

The problem is that there are SO MANY of them, that one will always screw you up.

this just sums up for me.
though im not saying that russians are bad players. i usually dnt pay attention to country.

the problem starts when u have half the table playing bingo, just spoils the fun of it.

     
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If you upset with Russian style of play how about romanian and bulgarian. They more ugly play
( most not all ). LOL Worship Aww crap!

     
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Posted by IslandJack:


Sitting at a table with 4 Russians trying to outbluff each other is NOT so nice.
In fact you are screwed!

Why do people look for Cash tables with a high % flop?
Because you can play your cards!!!

Tournaments with a high rate of exagerated betting decreases your chances of actually using your Brain!

Do you get that?

What if you are sitting there getting 83o, j2o, 63o..etc for an hour?
I'll tell you:

You get blinded out because you can't even see a flop!
Whatever you do they WILL call you.
Try a turbo table with 4 Russians.
Good luck Buddy!

PS:
Don't want to sound like an idiot, but of course bad players are nice to have, but faced with SO may bluffers in a tournament...it all comes down to luck, and that is the only thing they "gamble" on.
That's why the higher limits are different. (thank God)
You just need the Bankroll to play those limits......


How is it not nice to have bluffy russians on your table?
You can get max. value off your hands that way.

No,tournaments with a loose game-flow are exactly what you want.
Not using your brain? lol,in poker you always have to use your brain.
You can always think in ranges,how you can get max. value postflop and stuff like this.
Regardless that I'm always playing several tables and then usually dont pick up reads like peoples betting-lines,I still play based on peoples stats. Even this give syou the possibility of deep thinking,if you have time to pick up "proper" reads like peoples betting patterns you can get into even more deep thinking. So the argument that it's impossible to use your brain is not valid.

What if you are carddead for an hour?
First off having a whole hour of getting your mentioned hands is very unlikely. It will eventually happen sometimes,but it's not likely.
What you do when it happens?
First off,you dont need a great hand to open hands in MTTs. And if people are looser than the usual players,you can play more hands and you gotta open up your ranges. This is why hand charts or s**t like this are bad. You always have to adjust to the situation and the opponent,you can't just play like what a piece of paper says.
2nd of all,as I mentioned above,poker is a game of longterm success,not shortterm.
You can play all day and not get any so called playable hand,in theory at least.
However all this time will even out with you getting monsters at a later point,and that's where you'll get max. value from those people.
This is where volume comes into effect. Obv. there will be a phase you get sucked out 20 times in a row by a donkey russian or a donkey from whatever country,but at the same time if you are a winning player,you will get more in EV in the future than what you've lost through all those suckouts.
I've been on a $500 downswing just recently (while my average buy in was about $5,so in technically I lost about 100 buy ins).
Do you think I went into the next corner and cried how bad people are,how often I get sucked out by the evil russians? Eventually I was thinking that,but on te other hand I told myself that their dumbness will make me much more money if I'd just keep going,and I regained more than what I've lost after just 500 games (I know this sounds a lot to some of you,but it's actually the volume I play in 10 days by now).
So really,there is no need to even get angry about bad play. If you get sucked out 50 times in a row,it should not matter at all if you have the perfect mindset.
You seem to think in single games,seeing you said "you don't get any playable hands" etc.
In reality this happens more often than people think,but yeah,that's just the way variance goes. For this reason it's important to get many games in to even out this factor.

fyi,yes I tried "turbo tables" with russians (I specialize in turbos and it's safe to say 95% of what I play are turbo SNGs/MTTs).
Does it bother me if I get shortstacked?
Not really. Like I said above,the more people call,the looser your range can be.
Lets just assume a usual blind vs. blind situation.
You have 19BBs in the SB and a donkey russian bigstack is in the BB.
Your usual shoving range would be about 45% of all hands (Any A,K,suited Q and so on).
A usual calling range would be 25%.
If you know their calling range is 25%,the optimal play in this situation would be to just shove 24% though. Again,this would be the case against a standard,thinking player.
But now lets assume the russian bigstack is such a gambler and will call with 100% of his hands.
In this case you can actually shove 49% of your hands profitably.
So again,you always have to adjust to the situation,especially in turbos,about what you are shoving argument of having been carddead is invalid in turbos,because in reality most of the equity you made will come from stolen blinds and antes. There are more spots where you can shove any 2 against anyone than you might think. Waiting for a hand is simply no option in turbos.

To your PS: Obviously it comes down to luck if you judge by a few tournaments.This way you turn poker into a pure luckgame no matter how good you are and no matter who you play against.
Anything under 1000 games is no sample size.
Play 1000 games against people like this and you will most of the time see success (even after 1000 games the luck factor isn't eliminated though, obv).
But whoever says "they get lucky so often" doesn't understand luck and variance involved in poker and has no sample size to understand how happy we should be that these idiots are even around.

     
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i aggree m8 on stars they hit everything lol ,its like stars has lost its yanks to rewqard so moved on to russians...

     
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I dont think its hate for russia rather than some russian donk players which are many.
But their number has also to do with their population as already mentioned.

     
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Posted by TheMachineQC:
Yeah exactly... Actually russians are usually good in maths, they always had good scientists and mathematicians ^^

This post = tillt Blink

I'm mathematician and, as far as I know, the fact of Russian are good in maths it's just a stereotype nowadays. When they were in URSS they grown up with strong scientist skills. Nowadays it's very different. Maths may help to you to understand better poker but I'm sure that 99,9% of Russian players you play are not mathematicians ... If so, they don't play as bad as they usually do.


     
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I think this is a personal observation afterall, all countries have good players, fishes and donks...

The other day i enjoyed playing at a 6 max pot limit omaha table on pokerstars that had 4 russians and all played really good.

I know all these crazy calls are during tournaments and not cash games.

     
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it seems 50% of the mobsters agree,50%think they are good at math and the other 10%think it just doesn't add up????? Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
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i do no hate i love everybody in the world. the way to be happy is to be happy with all everyone.
i am brazilian and i do the right to do all my work to love all people.
sorry i am too happy today. vivaaaaaa Big Smile Big Smile Big Smile

     
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:

To your PS: Obviously it comes down to luck if you judge by a few tournaments.This way you turn poker into a pure luckgame no matter how good you are and no matter who you play against.
Anything under 1000 games is no sample size.
Play 1000 games against people like this and you will most of the time see success (even after 1000 games the luck factor isn't eliminated though, obv).
But whoever says "they get lucky so often" doesn't understand luck and variance involved in poker and has no sample size to understand how happy we should be that these idiots are even around.



Nice post. Really.
And of course you are right.

The problem for people like me is that we don´t put in this kind of volume.
I used to play a lot last year, but since a while now I just want to play some Tournaments now and then.
That´s when the fun goes straight out the window in these kinds of games.

The theory is sound, but only when applying it statistically and having the volume of games you mention.
Looking forward to playing a Tournament, only to get seated at a table with half of it crazy donks...
Or building a nice stack if you get a more decent table, only to end up with a table change where the big stack crazies are making 4x to even 10x pre-flop raises EVERY turn...pffffff

Sure it´s bull, and they are mostly not holding any cards, but just when you make a move before having all your raises "stolen" with ridiculous all-ins (because they DO put you all-in most of the time if you decide to go for it), just then he´ll be holding a monster or luck out on you with trips or a straifht or a four-flush board or whatever.

It´s not like I´m running 4-8 tournaments at the same time, so there goes the Poker day...once again.
But I don´t want to whine, just the way it´s grown lately, the Online Poker game.
Just sad for those who like to play a decent game which is becoming increasingly difficult at the low limits.

The fact that the Russians get these kinds of comments is simply because they have "invaded" the Poker tables in HUGE numbers the last year or so, and a LOT of them play this kind of crazy aggressive "gambling" type of game with little consideration to anything even close to Poker elements like ranges, stacks, position, or anything else for that matter.
If I want to "gamble", I would log in to a Casino. Big Smile

Anyway, nice reply.
I hope mine is as well. Blink

     
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