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Posted by Jibberish:
plus he only won 1500$ over 6000 games, imo thats horrible
No it is not,lol. the SNG payout structure is flat (3/6 get paid),this doesnt favour the better player,since the better players are hitting top 2 more often than fishes,and thus the ROI isn't as high. Plus it's 6 max,10% ROI is really good compared to what others get in these games,and especially with a 2.5K games breakeven stretch. If you discard the 2.5K BE streak it's about 15% ROI,which is awesome for a 6 max SNG player,not even to include that this payout structure will lower the ROI of good players a bit
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Posted by Macubaas: The information about randy is true, he is indeed a pokerstars pro that now moved to canada in order to be able to play at pokerstars...
He first started with video games where he developed his skill to do multiple things in thesame time thats why he is able to play at so many tables at once
really i dont believe it!! next you will be telling me he looks asian
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As I mentioned before, this guy plays at this level in a very similar way to another player I used to encounter at a lower BI. I have attached his graph and you can see that the similarity is quite striking, the hands they play is almost exactly the same, and their tendancy to push with absolute crap in late stages is also fortunately the same.
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Posted by BeMyATMplz:
Posted by mahdrof: and their tendancy to push with absolute crap in late stages is also fortunately the same.
How is that fortunate lol,totally standard strategy,meaning they're doing it right
Sorry but I don't consider them doing it right when they become predictable and I can open up my calling range knowing this. I have been beating him up pretty good with this knowledge of his play. Even with this type of game, you need to vary your game somewhat IMO.
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When blinds are high there are lots of spots where you can open shove any 2 cards profitably,especially at microstakes where people don't adapt to others style and call tight since they're scared. Even if you are able to widen your range,when it comes to bubble and ITM play your range probably is too wide now mathematicly. Based on ICM you have to call a little tighter than what the average of his shoving range is (how much tighter depends on factors like your stacksize,others stacksize and # of players left,can perfectly be practised with SNGWizard)
People don't consider this as good play,they say they're "bingo players" and all that kind of stuff,but it's actually a standard strategy that almost all successful SNG grinders use and it definitely is very profitable.
Obv. I've never played the guy so I have no idea about his shoving ranges,just what I mean is that in SNGs (especially in turbos) there are lots of spots on and after the bubble where it's best to shove a range that ppl would consider as super wide
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Posted by BeMyATMplz: When blinds are high there are lots of spots where you can open shove any 2 cards profitably,especially at microstakes where people don't adapt to others style and call tight since they're scared. Even if you are able to widen your range,when it comes to bubble and ITM play your range probably is too wide now mathematicly. Based on ICM you have to call a little tighter than what the average of his shoving range is (how much tighter depends on factors like your stacksize,others stacksize and # of players left,can perfectly be practised with SNGWizard)
People don't consider this as good play,they say they're "bingo players" and all that kind of stuff,but it's actually a standard strategy that almost all successful SNG grinders use and it definitely is very profitable.
Obv. I've never played the guy so I have no idea about his shoving ranges,just what I mean is that in SNGs (especially in turbos) there are lots of spots on and after the bubble where it's best to shove a range that ppl would consider as super wide
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Posted by doomdy:
Posted by BeMyATMplz: When blinds are high there are lots of spots where you can open shove any 2 cards profitably,especially at microstakes where people don't adapt to others style and call tight since they're scared. Even if you are able to widen your range,when it comes to bubble and ITM play your range probably is too wide now mathematicly. Based on ICM you have to call a little tighter than what the average of his shoving range is (how much tighter depends on factors like your stacksize,others stacksize and # of players left,can perfectly be practised with SNGWizard)
People don't consider this as good play,they say they're "bingo players" and all that kind of stuff,but it's actually a standard strategy that almost all successful SNG grinders use and it definitely is very profitable.
Obv. I've never played the guy so I have no idea about his shoving ranges,just what I mean is that in SNGs (especially in turbos) there are lots of spots on and after the bubble where it's best to shove a range that ppl would consider as super wide
Spot on +1
Thank you both for your feedback and opinions on this topic. That's one of the things I really like about this forum, that we can discuss strategy and hand ranges openly, as well as a lot of other fun things. Listening to what other players have to say, especially those with proven success, has helped my game progress since joining the forum. Your comments are makeing me re-evaluate this part of my game.
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No problem at all,just giving back what I got thaught from others
Here's just an example of what I mean. It's a $7 18 man SNG on stars (40/30/20/10 % payout structure)
[26.10.2011 00:43:29] Kevin/BeMyATMplz: PokerStars Game #69500128805: Tournament #459692840, $6.45+$0.55 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (300/600) - 2011/10/25 10:06:03 ET Table '459692840 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button Seat 1: budj1979 (10982 in chips) Seat 2: anxious1989 (5913 in chips) Seat 7: elmin1337 (2757 in chips) Seat 9: BeMyATMplz (7348 in chips) budj1979: posts the ante 50 anxious1989: posts the ante 50 elmin1337: posts the ante 50 BeMyATMplz: posts the ante 50 elmin1337: posts small blind 300 BeMyATMplz: posts big blind 600 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to BeMyATMplz [Ks As] budj1979: raises 10332 to 10932 and is all-in anxious1989: folds elmin1337: folds BeMyATMplz: folds
Now normal SNG/MTT or whatever players who play based on chipequity will yell "wtf,how can you fold?!?!" However,mathematicly (in ICM/ITM/bubble spots) this is a fairly easy fold. The main reason are of course the stacksizes,but also the payout structure is unique,all payout steps are the same which means it's basicly something I call a "permanent bubble". Your main goal should be to survive to the next payout step,and do the same when you've done this.
I used SNGWizard to analyze this hand. Even if I knew the guy would shove any 2 cards,I can only call with 88+ profitably. Everything else should be folded (while in a $7 SNG I wouldnt expect someone to be good enough to know any 2 cards would be a good shove here). To the default range it gave him (27% of hands,so A7o+;55+ and so on) my range has to be tighten up to JJ+ only. If my stack was shorter,say,about 4K ,this would of course be an easy call,but it shows how much pressure you can put on others if you have them covered. Obviously it's all a little different in a 6 max,9 max SNG etc,it all depends on the payout structure alot. In 6 max SNGs I could imagine these calling ranges have to be even tighter in a bubble spot,since less players means getting ITM is more essential,and first prize is worth less (in terms of buy in value) anyways,but I rarely play them so not sure.
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This is a very interesting topic, what are the signs that usually make you think that you're playing against a bot ? And how do you play against one to take advantage and make him loose some money ?
i dont believe it!! next you will be telling me he looks asian 
