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Posted by xxxitaliaxxx13: if you slow play aces and get burned then youll lose SOME money if you FAST play aces and get burned youve lost ALL your money.. theres no right and wrong way im just saying theres more ways to play it..
he raised it $2 the other guy re-raised it $14.. then he went and called the other guy all in..
so just call the $14 see the flop and then make your move... its safer... with the flush draw out there you can see how it goes it came on the turn so might of been some saving grace there?
Never thought about just calling $14 than just pushing. The other guy is pot committed..I would want the extra $8. I wouldn't want him to fold on flop..Just me. And theres no way hes folding on the flop with a pair and flush draw.
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And theres no way hes folding on the flop with a pair and flush draw.
Big question is would you call on the flop. But guy is ONCE AGAIN really lucky donk. BTW how did you played before this hand. Aggresive, passive...? By this hand im assuming that you dont play traps, and youre slightly aggressive player trying to steal some pots preflop and on turn, raising on flop with straight or flush draws, calling preflop raises with A-middle suited, middle pairs, middle suited connectors. Sorry if I missed with this guess, but am i right?
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If you get reraised preflop it means your opponent likes his hand very much so ofcourse like GeneYuss said you raise back to get maximum in pot before the flop brings a scare board. Besides you get maximum in a pot where you know you got the best hand you also minimize the chance of getting sucked out, giving your opponent a chance to fold pre (not this donk though) and you take the pot down with no risk.
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He may or may not call with that.. i mean if i only had $8 dollars left and the guy raised me that much and then called my raise that is a sign of AA KK or AK so i mean i wouldnt call that with a pair and flush draw..but then again this loser went all in with 2 3 suited...
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You are assuming how I play with no reasoning
True im guessing, sorry if I offended you in any way we are just discussing. It was not meant to be personal. But do you play that way? Reason why I asked you is that maybe he wasnt a real donk, maybe he just tried hes luck if you were caught bluffing or you were doing that too many times before that. I know from my experience that sometimes opponents do just that. I dont call them donks in those situations in fact it was me who overplayed one type of play and got caught when i was favourite paying out for previous play.
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You did not offend me. I just don't understand where your assumption comes from. All I said is, he should play the nuts and you assume I'm an aggressive player because I would play the nuts? That just doesn't make much sense to me.
..I am a tight-aggressive player. What kind of player are you? Because you already said you would fold the nuts twice..
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Wow this is pretty much the first time I've said this in this forum, but someone in this thread is actually making sense. GeneYuss is completely right. Predobar and G2CU are as far from correct as possible. You really want to get your money in preflop preflop with AA. Why in god's name wouldn't you? You have the best hand. So you don't want to get your money in with the best hand???? Well done. Thats just brilliant.
Also, I'd say GeneYuss's point regarding bankroll management is spot on.
Wow. Eveyone isn't being retarded for once.
------------ Wow this is pretty much the first time I've said this in this forum, but someone in this thread is actually making sense. GeneYuss is completely right. Predobar and G2CU are as far from correct as possible. You really want to get your money in preflop preflop with AA. Why in god's name wouldn't you? You have the best hand. So you don't want to get your money in with the best hand???? Well done. Thats just brilliant.
Also, I'd say GeneYuss's point regarding bankroll management is spot on.
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First thing first. We heard you the first time tommy.
You are assuming how I play with no reasoning
True, not your hand. I noticed when i was opening thread.
Because you already said you would fold the nuts twice..
Where? I said there are situations where A-A should be folded and to leave yourself some air to breathe you shouldnot go allin. Where did I say Ill fold. If you mean this
Look at it this way i fold A-A when pot is too big for me(wont happen soon).
I hope you have seen when would i fold. And if you cannot see the point your problem not mine.
Just because A-A has preflop 78% or so chance to win the hand you would go allin. Keep doing that, in fact why dont you play just when you have rockets and see how long will it take you to go bankrupt. If your using some software where you can see histories sorted out please fill us with details how much you won with aces and how much you lost. Anyone else is invited to do that too. A-A HAS ONLY 2 REAL OUTS. And what makes aces strong is something else which you donkeys dont understand and that is THE WAY YOU PLAY THAT HAND not Aces themselves. You can play 7-2 like you have the rockets noone can tell unless he/she is the one holding them.
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Predobar , you make no sense. You give DiESeven s**t for going all in with aces and you tell him hes playing bingo lol...Than you're saying all kinds of stuff like you know what you're saying...To be honest, I think you should read a poker book. I don't mean to be mean but a poker book can help with poker odds and help your game.
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You give DiESeven s**t for going all in
I said that betting hard is ok but going allin is lottery because you bet on hand which is yet to be played. So BET HARD to clear the field, if not stealing blinds, and see what flop brings. In this particular case $4.
To be honest, I think you should read a poker book.
And this is from the book.
You should always remember that the Flop is practically the whole game in Hold`em. That`s where your major decisions will be made. The play on Fourth St. and Fifth St. is pretty basic.
EDIT: page 464, Super System, D. Brunson and friends. You can also find examples similar to that flush on flop hand in "What would u do" thread in that section of the book.
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actually predobar that is very very well put ( and im currently reading that book its actually a really good i recommend it) but yea its so true tho going all in pre-flop is a lottery anything can happen... AA v 72.. flop 7 7 2... or even better
AA v 23... flop... A 4 5...... then what can you do?
i agree with predobar 100% in this case... geneyuss if you can show me in any book where it says... go all in with AA or KK and you will win, i will... i dont even no what i will do lol
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If you read any book, it will tell you put your money in with the best hand..And not to let people draw out cheaply...I recommend reading Harrington on Hold'em, it should help you on your odds Predobar..
Theres no better way DiESeven could have played that hand and you're shitting on him lol..Can you tell me how you would play the hand? Would you raise preflop? What would you do when reraised?
Predobar , do you understand the hand history there? I can explain it better to you if you want.
P.S. xxxitaliaxxx13 , if you go all in with aces, you will win about 80% of the time. Depends what your opponent has.
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You could use some common sense Logitech.
if you go all in with aces, you will win about 80% of the time
You are to win 80%(rounded up) in that particular hand. Next hand you have Aces again does not accumulate percentage from previous hands. You are once again in the hand with the same odds. That remaining 20% can last long or you can win every hand. It is a COIN FLIP in the end. POKER IS NOT PLAYING BY THE ODDS IT IS HOW YOU PLAY YOUR ODDS. And if you tie yourself into hand with no moves left you are playing by the odds. When i think more i think this is written in some book which doesnot talk about odds but rather playing poker.
I went down not only on DieSeven but on every one of you who think that final table tactics from TV shows are poker playing. At least do yourself a favour and log into your FTP account and watch those pros play a cash game. Then comeback and tell me how many times you have seen them go allin preflop. I havent seen even Gus Hansen going allin preflop when i watched him.
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Okay, I'll admit, he did get very lucky with this hand. But why did you go all-in pre-flop? That seems like an accident waiting to happen to me. I would have at least waited till the flop.
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Posted by GeneYuss: Predobar, you sound like a total idiot..I hate to put it that way but its true..At least tell me how you would play the hand..
LOOK, I HOPE THAT YOU DONT GET YOUR MONEY FROM BRM bceause youre a troll. I dont care if you troll threads like "i won my first tourney" and such but telling people that are new to poker and might not see the difference between tournament play and cash game play, which your small not getting any brain doesnt recognize too, and telling them how to play wrong way and not only will they learn the wrong way but will destroy who knows how many people in the way with that play. YOU GO CHASE RABBITS DOROTHY (LOGITECH) AND STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO PLAY CASH GAMES LIKE THEY ARE TOURNAMENTS. GOING ALLIN PREFLOP IS TOURNAMENT PLAY TACTICS AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CASH GAMES.
EDIT: Troll those threads like how many outs there are and such stay away from threads which someone could take seriously. Because of such idiots like yourself we have going all the way to $10 NL tables, maniacs going allin preflop or comitting themselves to pot so much that it is obvious they will go allin on flop.
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I was playing roulet & poker last night sametime in 2 different windows. Roulet was on top and i was just hitting "Spin" when this pokertable bring the the window top because it was my turn. Yes i hit the all in button with J 8 i was a bit scared if someone calls it but thanks god bobody called Anyway i learn my lessons keep the windows separate not top of each others. Poker was CDPoker where is simply one click all in button. Watch out missclickers it can be dangerous
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its so sick AA lose always i think i losed more times then i win on that f**k AA i hate them but it is hard to fold rite ? But i am thinking of to fold them sometimes but like i said it is hard....
its actually a really good i recommend it) but yea its so true tho going all in pre-flop is a lottery anything can happen... AA v 72.. flop 7 7 2... or even better
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